The country surely has to be ready for Labour now??

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Education Secretary Kemi Badenoch!
Home Secretary Suella Braverman!
Levelling Up Secretary...Jacob Rees-Mogg!!!!!! 😂🤣😭😭😭

Populist Prime Minister Truss has apparently already appointed her joke of a cabinet. Never did I think there could be a Home Secretary worse than Priti Patel!

Barely any mention of the climate throughout this whole diabolical leadership scrap, other than the fact that Liz doesn't like the look of solar panels. 🤦‍♀️FML.

What have the Tories actually achieved during their tenure? Except Brexit which has made things worse. Anyone??

I don't find Keir Starmer inspirational but he's clearly decent, credible, honest and competent. He understands we need a green economy, investment and jobs asap. He doesn't pick a fight with our European allies. A coalition led by him including Lib Dems and Greens would also be fine by me. Some adults in the room at last, please!!

Contrary to Daily Fail scare mongering the polls suggest he wouldn't need any deal with the SNP.

Surely the country is ready for a Labour led government at last???

She's widely disliked on left and right. One of the reasons Labour are unelectable in their current form.

Labour didn't lose the GE because of Corbyn, Corbyn did pretty well in the GE prior to last. Labour lost the GE because they refused to support the Referendum result, which many, many traditional labour voters voted for. They came across as the arrogant political class who simply wouldn't listen to the people. As someone said up thread, you can't call people thick racist bigots and then complain that they aren't voting for you.

I'm sure there are many labour voters who voted Tory in the last election simply because the Torys were prepared to honer the referendum result. This is where labour always falls down - they simply will not listen to the people.

Whether the Torys borrowed labour voters return to voting labour in the next election remains to be seen, but I suspect that a number of them will. This has nothing to do with Starmer vs. Corbyn, but everything to do with the handling of the Brexit referendum in my view.

OP, I'm a floating voter. My views are pretty middle of the road, some a little left leaning, some a little right. My standards have dropped so low over the last few years in terms of what I expect from a government. I'm now just hoping for a government in the next GE that doesn't irrevocably fuck up the country even more. The current government most certainly weren't 'ready' for government though. A different party can't come soon enough.

@MidnightMeltdown even if you're right about that, Brexit is over (although not the shit show that it's caused the next generation). The next GE will be about the economy and the climate.

Labour need to remember their purpose and stop the endless purity spirals.

Yes, I think that labour will do better in the next GE, but I still think that they are disconnected from their working class voters, and have been for many years.

I still cannot get over the complete and utter stupidity of labour supporting a second referendum in the last GE. Regardless of personal feelings, a simple algorithm looking at voting patterns across constituencies could have told them that this was a losing strategy. And as a result, labour and Lib Dems have been kicked out of seats in working class communities all across the Midlands and north. This is entirely their own fault. They have lost the trust of their working class voters.

Labour are a bunch of champagne socialists who actively sneer at the very people who form the core of their voters, the working class! Until they reconnect with that section of voters then they stand absolutely no chance of being re-elected. Yes they will do better in the next GE but that's simply because this Tory government is such a shower of shit not because Labour are saying anything worth listening to.

Yes this is the problem with labour - they peruse their own agenda while ignoring the feelings of voters. Therefore they stand for nobody.

Their continued support for remain after the referendum result was the epitome of arrogance and stupidity. You can't ignore your core voters and still expect them to vote for you.

What they should have done is come up with a left wing Brexit - then they might have had a fighting chance. In fact, Corbyn was a life long eurosceptic but had his hands tied by the labour thought police.

Being 'less bad than the Tories' isn't good enough. Labour need to reform.

I used to vote labour but I've abstained lately.

How is this labours fault?

Haha, Labour get the blame for the GP toilets!!

Well apparently Liz Truss is going to be in an awful lot of trouble within her own party if she appoints her cabinet of right wing Johnson / Truss supporters rather than a decent mix. She'll be facing no-confidence soon enough.

On the politics show this morning she defended tax cuts for the rich as a way of boosting the economy - a tactic that has failed abysmally as Britain has stagnated over the last gov. It puts her in polar opposition to the US as well. Great.

Meanwhile Boris will be busy making money on the speech circuit and priming for a comeback as PM. He's also appointed his autobiographer to come up with his list of chosen peerages to include Nadine Dorries.

They are devoid of morals.

Heaven help us all.

I don't disagree with much of what you write about the Tories OP. But the Tories being Tories is not a good enough reason for me to vote Labour. Women like me have been insulted and told that Labour is not for people like us. Why would we vote for them?

I don't need persuading not to vote Tory, just a reason why I should go back to Labour.

That's ok. FYI I'm not left, I'm liberal. But often the right can't tell the difference.

This is completely detached from reality.

Depends if you want the Tories out or not, surely? (And to some extent the weighting in your constituency).

Sometimes better the devil's you know, rather than x for the purpose of x etc

So when we bringing back Tony Blair

@carefullycourageous

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-bigoted-woman?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

This didn't help.

No, it didn't.

Tbf he was right, he just shouldn't have said it out loud.

I think looking at where we are just now, it is definitely not 'better the devil you know'.

The country is fucked and the Tories can't and won't takes steps to improve things. In order to improve things they need to discuss what is wrong and politically that is not going to happen as it means they have to discuss their own errors, going right back to austerity (which has damaged growth so much and is a key reason we lag the rest of the G7). Sometimes you have to make the leap, and stop throwing good time after bad. It is illogical to carry on in this vein as we are all able to see the state of things, made worse by the Tories.

Same here. In the meantime, the Greens have my vote.

Me too. Hate the fucking Tories. Can't (yet) vote Labour

The wider country beyond the Tory faithful is ready for change, and some politicians with empathy, for sure. We need politicians that care about the people, the Tory cabinet just see it as a spiffing game, like the games they played at Eton and then Oxford. Some business owners are in dispair that all they have built will be in ruins come Octobers price hikes.

We also need politicians in power who have a vision to invest in the future UK. In the past 12 years they could have invested in upgrading the insulation for the UK housing stock and tightening the building code to improve the energy efficient of new builds as various experts were urging them to do as part of improving our resilience to energy shocks and climate change, but no. Now what will happen is that they will give grants to people that will go straight into the bank accounts of their mates at the energy companies and we will be back at square one. Still completely vulnerable to future energy shocks and still reliant on dodgy dictatorships with poor human rights for the most basic of needs.

Not voting for the feckin Greens either.
Currently going to spoil my ballot.

If I was in the labour leadership I'd refuse to field any MPs for election as a protest about the repeating cycle of pointlessness in the UK.

Since 1945 we've had to cycle through huge spending in order to recover from either war, disaster or to repair the public services cuts conservatives always bring, followed by growing unease about public debt, a new conservative government and everything being run into the ground again.

I'd be tempted to tell Truss et al - "Its your bed, you make it", in honesty what I think we need is a completely new political structure that encourages non-partisan thinking and action, rather than the current system that only rewards majority power and is based on holding on to that power beyond all other concerns.