The country surely has to be ready for Labour now??

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Education Secretary Kemi Badenoch!
Home Secretary Suella Braverman!
Levelling Up Secretary...Jacob Rees-Mogg!!!!!! 😂🤣😭😭😭

Populist Prime Minister Truss has apparently already appointed her joke of a cabinet. Never did I think there could be a Home Secretary worse than Priti Patel!

Barely any mention of the climate throughout this whole diabolical leadership scrap, other than the fact that Liz doesn't like the look of solar panels. 🤦‍♀️FML.

What have the Tories actually achieved during their tenure? Except Brexit which has made things worse. Anyone??

I don't find Keir Starmer inspirational but he's clearly decent, credible, honest and competent. He understands we need a green economy, investment and jobs asap. He doesn't pick a fight with our European allies. A coalition led by him including Lib Dems and Greens would also be fine by me. Some adults in the room at last, please!!

Contrary to Daily Fail scare mongering the polls suggest he wouldn't need any deal with the SNP.

Surely the country is ready for a Labour led government at last???

Was at the Grand Prix today and had to watch my 13 year old daughter walk through grown men pissing in urinals to get to the piss laden toilets. Unisex toilets. No thanks Labour. No thanks

I was in Five Guys (a mistake in itself) in Loverpool last week, needed the loo, 3 or 4 toilets all self contained, but all unisex. Piss sprayed all over the wall, seat and floor. Apart from wondering why men have such poor aim, just why didn't 5 Guys have a toilet for each sex and a unisex? Insanity (and unsanitary).

What are labours plans and how do they intend to fund such plans as I cannot find anything that tells me this ?
Most people I know don't even intend to vote as they think they are all crap and us workers in the middle always get shafted no matter who is in

I was in Five Guys (a mistake in itself) in Loverpool last week, needed the loo, 3 or 4 toilets all self contained, but all unisex. Piss sprayed all over the wall, seat and floor. Apart from wondering why men have such poor aim, just why didn't 5 Guys have a toilet for each sex and a unisex? Insanity (and unsanitary).

yep agree and imagine watching your shy daughter watching men piss in urinals to get there. Broke my heart. She was mortified

Cannot stress enough that it depends on the seat you’re in. We have First Past The Post so a general election is not one election, it’s 650. If you want the tories out you need to think about who is best placed in your constituency to do that, and it isn’t always Labour - it’s also not always obvious (see some of the recent by-elections where the Lib Dems jumped from third to first).

It’s only going to work if there’s an electoral pact between Labour - who can win in a lot of the midlands, north and Wales - and the Lib Dems - who can win a lot of the previously safe Tory seats in the South East and South West. The Greens would need to accept to be sacrificed, perhaps the others don’t stand in Caroline Lucas’s seat, as sadly they don’t really come second anywhere to the Tories, mostly their main local rivals are Labour MPs, but their votes probably would tip Labour or Lib Dem candidates over the winning line in some places. The SNP would probably have to be left out, or just be relied on to take several of the few Scottish seats they don’t already hold, but because their are toxic to idiots that believe the right wing press it is inadmissible to bring them in. Plaid might be brought it but they’re pretty negligible in terms of tactical utility.

It’s doable - the Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid had a pact at the last election. Sadly, Labour refused to join. Hopefully Starmer will think twice, but I’m not hopeful.

Other thing is this - everyone on here should be volunteering to canvass for the main challenger to the tories in your seat. I have done it for many years - even for those with whom I do not share party allegiance (it’s particularly effective with voters with whom I do share a party membership to convince them to vote tactically) and I can’t tell you how much of a difference individual conversations on the doorstep can make to an outcome. It’s a slog, it can be hard, it can be time consuming, but tell me you can’t find an hour or two a week to do something about this shitshow that is the current Tory party.

Get out to the doorsteps!

@Tinytinseltown It’s only going to work if there’s an electoral pact between Labour - who can win in a lot of the midlands, north and Wales - and the Lib Dems - who can win a lot of the previously safe Tory seats in the South East and South West.

yep bit issue is….both parties - Labour and Lib Dem - hate women. So what do we do?

What are labours plans and how do they intend to fund such plans as I cannot find anything that tells me this

Corbyn had a fully costed manifesto. Not sure if the same document exists for Starmer, possibly not, I dont have the energy to check ,only awake because a bloody annoying cough is stopping me sleeping.

YABU THIS cult-like belief in gender identity ideology, plus Momentum/Corbyn and anti-semitism; and all the current Labour front bench pretty much also supported Corbyn so nothing much has changed. Starmer still fence sits the whole time and is too scared to define half the population with biological accuracy.
I wish the new PM all the luck in the world. If it is Liz Truss at least we know she is minded to roll the 'gender identity ideology' nonsense back. You cannot protect the rights of women and children if you cannot accurately define them.

No one is going to get everything they want. The tories have been far worse for women, families, hell even men for that matter than anyone else is going to be.

I am afraid if you are serious about getting them out then it’s likely, depending on where you live, that you’ll need for vote for one of those two.

As an aside, the hard right has been the one driving the wedge on trans issues. They know the left will tie itself up in knots, and they know that they can get people pissed off enough about it that they’ll stay home on Election Day. There are serious conversations to be had about the issue, but for FFS don’t do it in the framework that the Tories (or republicans if you’re from the US, PiS if you’re Polish, Fidesz if you’re Hungarian, Bolsonaro if you’re Brazillian, I could go on) have created around it.

@Tinytinseltown sorry don’t wash with me. Biological sex and it’s respect is at the root of too many things for me and many women. We lose that definition then we lose an awful lot more. So fix the root first then I will start listening to the rest. Womens rights have been an after thought for too long

It’s the left that has drawn a wedge on trans issues - in the U.K.

At what point have Labour party (who are not in power at mo) decided toilet designation at Grand Prix???? The Tories are in charge (though don't think even they can organise a piss at a Grand Prix???!!!) The Tories have sold off all our national services (rail, education, gas, elec & niw much of NHS etc) for profit for those with enough money to buy shares or overseas companies - just look at the profits French gov owned (they nationalised EDF earlier this year) that UK families are paying profits to - last count was £600mill profit March- Aug 2022, think about the £7bn of wasted NHS resources - literally burnt this year post-covid Tory procurement e.g. plastic aprons that were ordered folded in a box - not on a roll as per Health dept stipulation/ face masks with only one wire not two - I bet emerg services in Pakistan wld cry out with these resources as now facing chlolera, tyohoid etc - unisex toilets at a Grand Prix..really is that your price point for ethical government???

Yeah, no. The whole of the culture war project, driven from the right, is to take these issues and push them centre stage. Culture wars are a project of the right.

The vast majority of people are in agreement on the fundamentals of this issue.

You can see Labour not listening to women in action on this thread.
women “ We are worried about losing our sex based rights”
Labour “You’ve bigger things to worry about,, the erosion of woman’s rights is a culture war from the far right “
Labour aren’t addressing a problem they have full on helped create and are now blaming the far right when people notice.
and to the PP, what is wrong with woman’s issues taking centre stage

Jacob Reece Mogg minister for levelling up? I've heard it all now! Jesus!

It is the fact it is being turned into a left-right issue that is the culture war bit. Steve Bannon has advised our Tory party, this is not a made up thing.

The serious questions underpinning all culture wars issues can't be fixed by either extreme, and it is important that the majority of us remain in the sane space and refuse to get dragged to either extreme.

What’s happened to Andy Burnham? Cab we get him back please.

the hard right has been the one driving the wedge on trans issues.

What utter nonsense. The people driving the women's right to single sex spaces issue were a group of (mostly very left wing) feminists. We know this because they used MN to organise and have been working this issue for over a decade.

Once this topic hit the mainstream, of course the type of people engaged broadened out. The idea that right wingers only engaged with this to split the left is laughably childish. Some right wingers have been very active, even when it was unpopular, because they genuinely care about free speech and women's rights.

My 8 YO knows that humans are complicated and can't be simplistically divided into goodies and baddies. I am reluctant to vote for a party with so many prominent members who understand humanity less than my child.

Some right wingers have been very active, even when it was unpopular, because they genuinely care about free speech and women's rights.

How is denying women the right to a safe and legal abortion caring about women's rights, think you're going to have to explain that to me

How is denying women the right to a safe and legal abortion caring about women's rights, think you're going to have to explain that to me

I think you need to reread my post, and perhaps the one it's replying to. It wasn't about abortion.

Left wing and liberal minded women have been trying to talk about the impact of trans activism on their rights and Labour is not listening.
The right can spot this as the only stick it has left to beat Labour with. And Labour are letting it happen.
Struggle to heat your home or protect yourself from Men's Rights Activists. That's the choice Labour are giving us.

We should be asking What is a Man. Not "what is a woman".

You said the right care about women's rights, surely the right to a safe and legal abortion is a fundamental woman's right yet you side stepped the question, how interesting

It's ludicrous isn't it.

What are the Labour Party doing about it?

Are they planning to put a strong candidate up in that constituency next time to challenge him directly?

Are they out door knocking now, speaking to local voters, showing them that they will be an engaged constituency MP. Explaining how Labour policies will impact on them if elected.

Will they go and talk to the farmers in that area to understand what is going on for them and explain that in recent history British farming has done better under Labour governments than conservatives.

Will they go to the coffee mornings, the local college, market days and stand and LISTEN to people.

Or will they just roll over because 'it's a safe Tory seat', send a fresh faced graduate out a few weeks before the election who no one has ever heard of before and who tells people not to vote for them if they think women can have willies.

Then lose and stomp off into the sun set stating that it's not their fault the constituency is full of farmers, gammons and bigots.

pastabest I think the safe tory seats have been more safely targeted by the lib dems tbh, so far they've over turned 2 by elections with 20k majorities, so a lib-lab coalition might be possible but I wouldn't trust Starmer and I wouldn't trust Davey either tbh

You said the right care about women's rights

I didn't. I said specific right wingers had been engaged with the defense of single sex spaces from early on. I don't say 'the right' or 'the left' all think X because I'm not a child.

surely the right to a safe and legal abortion is a fundamental woman's right

It is. This thread is about the UK where that is the position of the majority, both left and right.

yet you side stepped the question, how interesting

I didn't. Your post is a complete non-sequitur to mine so I asked what the fuck you were on about.

It is. This thread is about the UK where that is the position of the majority, both left and right.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jul/27/senior-tory-urges-liz-truss-to-explain-deletion-of-abortion-rights-from-statement-caroline-nokes

Nothing to worry about right?