The country surely has to be ready for Labour now??

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Education Secretary Kemi Badenoch!
Home Secretary Suella Braverman!
Levelling Up Secretary...Jacob Rees-Mogg!!!!!! 😂🤣😭😭😭

Populist Prime Minister Truss has apparently already appointed her joke of a cabinet. Never did I think there could be a Home Secretary worse than Priti Patel!

Barely any mention of the climate throughout this whole diabolical leadership scrap, other than the fact that Liz doesn't like the look of solar panels. 🤦‍♀️FML.

What have the Tories actually achieved during their tenure? Except Brexit which has made things worse. Anyone??

I don't find Keir Starmer inspirational but he's clearly decent, credible, honest and competent. He understands we need a green economy, investment and jobs asap. He doesn't pick a fight with our European allies. A coalition led by him including Lib Dems and Greens would also be fine by me. Some adults in the room at last, please!!

Contrary to Daily Fail scare mongering the polls suggest he wouldn't need any deal with the SNP.

Surely the country is ready for a Labour led government at last???

Just interested why people think Labour aren't ready but this shit show of current (new cabinet) Tories are??

The idea of Jacob Rees-Mogg as Levelling Up Secretary is like some sort of sick joke. Is Liz Truss doing this as some kind of weid dare?

People who turn out this tired old argument don't deserve a vote.

I don't think there has been a single instance in the last 100 or more years where the winning party has gained over 50% of the votes.

Happy to be proved wrong, if that is not the case.

I consider myself as pretty uneducated regarding politics, yet, worryingly, seem far more invested in the future shape of UK government than the majority of people I meet.
Not a huge fan of democracy then? Surely a truly democratic vote would be for all of the home nations to vote whether to stay united or split? That will never happen.
I can't vote Labour, despite respecting Starmer, they are bending over backwards to not offend 'the woke'.
I obviously can't vote Tory.
Libdems should be my natural home but, as Apl says, they are unwilling to adapt to the wishes of the electorate.
Bring back Gordon Brown! (or Tony Blair? Covers head and runs away)

I'm a lifelong labour voter but spoiled my ballot at the last election

This thread is telling me that I should vote for them again but there hasn't been a single post telling me what the labour party is going to do that's so brilliant, just loads telling me why the tories are awful.

I think that's very telling.

Oh and

David Lammy - women who want Singh sex spaces are rights hoarding dinosaurs
Emily Thornberry - factually inaccurate to say only women have cervices
Keir starmer - transwomen are women.

Etc etc

The Labour Party is ideologically captured. It's unfit for purpose, unfit for office.

So no, while I think this government is a shower of bastards, I cannot vote for a party which doesn't recognise my rights as a sex class

No one is saying that the tories aren't a shit show (they are and I despair of what they have done to this country since 2010).

But they are a shit show that have got elected, repeatedly, over the Labour Party. Most recently they also got elected in areas that should have been easy wins for the Labour Party.

Hate the Tories all you like but the very fact they are in power at all is testament to just how badly wrong the Labour Party are getting it. That's not going to change until they do.

Personally I think they are done for.

I reject any party that espouses identity politics and I reject "wokism" as a central tenant of a political party. I dont believe the job of a party is to shape a countrys philosophy or beliefs. The job of a party is to manage the country's finances and ensure a decent standard of living and income for all. Labour seems too intent on trying to forcibly shape narratives and doesnt show the sense of national pride and love I'm looking for. The tories dont protect or help the most vulnerable in our society. So...what is there to vote for?

@pastabest your posts are brilliant btw!

No one is saying that the tories aren't a shit show (they are and I despair of what they have done to this country since 2010).

But they are a shit show that have got elected, repeatedly, over the Labour Party. Most recently they also got elected in areas that should have been easy wins for the Labour Party.

Hate the Tories all you like but the very fact they are in power at all is testament to just how badly wrong the Labour Party are getting it. That's not going to change until they do.

Personally I think they are done for.

But @pastabest this is tired old news!! The party has changed. You're talking about the last election with Corbyn. Starmer has clearly (and literally) rejected Corbyn and the far left.

The PLP is centrist now, and talking complete sense on the green economy. What's not to like?

this is tired old news!! The party has changed. You're talking about the last election with Corbyn. Starmer has clearly (and literally) rejected Corbyn and the far left

so who do those people vote for now?

• Labour have made it clear they aren't the party for those on far left.
• They have also made it clear that they aren't the party for the bigots and racists who have concerns about immigration.
• They don't want the nasty transphobes who they know are just saying they are concerned about the erasure of women's rights as a cover.
• They don't want people who openly support the trade unions on picket lines
• They definitely don't want the thick uneducated gammons who voted for Brexit but live in places that traditionally voted Labour
• Jewish people because - Palestine

so who do they want? Who is left (pun intended)?

students (better hope it's dry on voting day)?

the champagne socialist set who are rich enough not to really care either way but like the good feels of not being a Tory?

the last remaining 'red wall' voters they haven't managed to insult or belittle over their concerns?

Is love to vote for anyone other than the conservatives, but if I vote Labour I just don't know what I'm getting. What is their plan?

@Skinterior they've actually been pretty clear about their plans in terms of the short term crisis and longer term green economic growth.

• Labour have made it clear they aren't the party for those on far left.

Yes

• They have also made it clear that they aren't the party for the bigots and racists who have concerns about immigration

Bigots and racists - no they are not the target voters
Concerns about immigration assuming valid are not the same thing as you know

• They don't want the nasty transphobes who they know are just saying they are concerned about the erasure of women's rights as a cover.

This is a hot potato issue which the Tories have been using to stoke culture wars and create division. A whole swathe of society is stuck in this from education, sport, health system and yes politics. It's everyone's issue, not just Labour. The "are trans women women" question is today's version of the "would you press the nuclear button" question. You're damned if you say yes or no and the Tories are revelling in it. In fact, most people don't care about this issue nearly as much as the RW press or Mumsnet would have you believe.

Womens rights are being thoroughly eroded by the Tories btw including the likes of Rees-Mogg who would have us move towards a RoeVWade anti-abortion position as they've got in the States.

• They don't want people who openly support the trade unions on picket lines

In line with their move to the centre they are more pragmatic and less dogmatic on this issue, yes.

• They definitely don't want the thick uneducated gammons who voted for Brexit but live in places that traditionally voted Labour

I think they desperately want them back actually, though I think they've fucked up this country enough.

• Jewish people because - Palestine

That's really unfair as you must be aware. Starmer has done more to root out antisemitism in the Labour Party than anyone. He's been absolutely strong on that , ejecting Corbyn and pissing off the likes of Owen Jones in the process.

Why would anyone who cares about women vote Labour?

Labour should have my vote, but i won't vote for a party that actively encourages the erasure of women's rights. A party that doesn't know what a woman is - and I'm clearly not alone.

Not voting for Labour despite the fact of the conservatives completely trashing the country is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Keir Starmer is understandably desperate to distance himself from Cronyn to get labour into government. They can hardly do anything when they're in opposition.

We have to vote for a government. The only sensible thing to do is to vote for the least worst option if they're all bad.

Mick Lynch for PM at this point.

But I will vote Starmer, I'm not willing to do anything that will keep the Tories in power. We will lose everything if that happens, single sex spaces will be a minor issue when you have to return to a 48 hour working week moments after giving birth. When we lose our right to protest, lose our right to unionise.There are some very naive people on Mumsnet, it is horrifying. I was homeless as child and experienced extreme poverty. Some of you have no clue.

In fact, most people don't care about this issue nearly as much as the RW press or Mumsnet would have you believe.

So why are Starmer etc tying themselves in such ridiculous knots? If people don't care, just speak the truth. Say 'men have penises, women have vaginas' and move on. I am not inclined to entrust government to grown adults who pretend that women can have penises.

A crisis coalition would be the best solution for now, I think. Take the best people from each party. I won't vote Tory and no longer trust Labour.

I'm not going to quote/copy your last reply to me because it's large, but can you genuinely not see the issue in your response?

All those groups of people feel like they have been labelled as those 'slurs' by the Labour Party and it's been made clear to them they aren't welcome.

The Labour Party have alienated the vast majority of their core voters because the people in charge have an ideological position that they feel is 'correct' doesn't match that of the people who would usually vote for them.

you can't call people bigots, transphobes, gammon and racists and then cry when they won't vote for you any more and yell about how the tories are worse and it's not fair.

I just don’t understand this viewpoint. Why should being brought up by parents incapable of supporting you or even keeping a roof over your head give you any special insight into how the country should be governed?

Surely it’s those who provide stable homes for their family and who are capable of holding down a good job who we should be listening to.

you can't call people bigots, transphobes, gammon and racists and then cry when they won't vote for you any more and yell about how the tories are worse and it's not fair.

I agree. Labour did this to itself. It is frustrating and was so unnecessary.

“We will lose everything if that happens.”

”single sex spaces will be a minor issue…”

wow if you can’t see how incongruent that is, then you won’t understand why Labour haven’t been voted into power nor been trusted by working classes and women. The naivety is on your part.

these people have been let down badly by Labour and it’s showing at the ballot box quite rightly.

Sick of reading this, we have absolute muppets currently, Labour would be fine in comparison. Why do people need Labour to be perfect but the Tories are ok to be corrupt?

There is no point moaning when people state the problem.

A majority of the country think the Tories are doing a bad job but (unlike in the past) the opposition parties are so shit that many won't vote for them either.

The Tory vote is much more unified, that's why Johnson won last time. It's not enough to say people should vote labour- people need to be convinced Labour deserve their vote.

See when Tories vote for the Tories, they know without a shadow of a doubt that the Tories will do everything in their power to protect them.

Can a Labour voter vote for Labour with that same sense of assurance?

Really? Could you link? I'm not aware of any concrete policy proposals, especially spending plans.