Please can someone explain? Will we pay if we leave EU without a deal?

[HappydaysArehere]

With all this talk of billions of pounds which we are supposed to owe if we leave and talk of continuing to pay after we leave, I am in the dark. If we walk away with no deal will we pay anything like the amounts talked about? If we are able to do that surely the EU will be big losers as well as us! I am at a loss. Grateful for your input as I am bewildered. I voted to remain but must say the shenanigans being played by the EU are showing them as more like the Mafia than a democratic institution.

@mummmy2017

Grimsby was 70% Leave. You can have trouble own opinions but not your own facts.

And you are telling the fishermen what’s best for their trade?

But if I can sum up your argument: “everything will be fine. I don’t know how but I know it will”?

Not trouble. your

International commerce is not like selling glittery shite on FB.

@Melassa

Not sure facts matter. Hope is driving this. Reaction is emotive not structured by logic or analysis.

Melassa, we didn't have Courgettes, they can be grown in the UK, but right now it's not worth the farmers time, if prices go up, the farmers will grow them, and if it's not that time of the year, ok it becomes a luxury item, sorry but no one died in the war when some foods were hard to come by, we just ate what was seasonal, and that's not such a bad thing, it's just in these times of wanting instant gratification, we feel entitled to what ever we fancy and have lost a sense of waiting for the season to change.

@Melassa

You do realise our entire political elite is just as informed as mummmy about trade?

If you have a chance find the Parliament session with Simon Lowe to the Brexit Committee on Parliament tv. It shows how little we know. Myself included.

No I am saying there will be problems, but as each arises there will be solutions found, simply because someone will see a profit to be made, and find a way.

This is the way commerce has always worked.

By being so deep in the gloom as you are, never seeing any good in anything, god forbid there is any good to come from Brexit, as it spoils your argument.

Agreed Olivia, I do give up, there is no point engaging. I was taught to evaluate both sides of the argument, but based on facts and not "feelings in my water."

Solutions will be found but doing so will divert people and capital from doing useful things. Also the solutions may involve driving activities underground and creating the environment on which corruption and protection rackets can theive

Yes Olivia I'm increasingly appalled at the paucity of talent in the UK political class. They really have no clue! Yet many of these people had the best education money could buy. One wonders if indeed it was "bought", as most appear to have sailed through university without any attempt at critical thought.

I thought we'd reached a nadir with Berlusconi, but this lot in Westminster are far worse as not only are they clueless but they're arrogant to boot.

Melassa we all have no idea, as we are NOT the people sorting Brexit, we are all just normal people, your views are just that your views, the same with my views.
However I have accepted we are leaving, and that each problem will have to be solved and sorted on Merit...

It's not feelings in my waters, it's accepting the reality in front of me. Such a shame that;s such a hard concept for some people to accept.

Exactly drwitch, just like the black market that thrived in wartime and the communist bloc. Only some people will benefit and not the best type of person...

Mummy, surely you voted for Brexit to see specific changes take place? Now it appears the cross your fingers approach is fine. That is no way to run a country or an economy playing fast and loose with peoples lives.

But Mummy the people sorting Brexit have no idea either, which is really quite concerning.

Alas I do not have blind belief in my "betters", and so far they have given no demonstration of actually being "better".

@Melassa

I think people like @mummmy2017 live in another world. One where mutually exclusive things aren’t. And where problems are easy to resolve.

One of my favourite incoherences is the NI border. It’s amazing how there will be no border between NI and the Republic. No border between NI and GB. But the UK will be out of the Customs Union.

Now that’s a square circle. Go figure. In mathematics there are different spaces in topology that are odd in many ways. Perhaps I just need to contort my brain more

Unlike you I have still not learned not to be frustrated by the lack of evidence in Brexiter dialogue.

You do know the MP's are just figureheads, that most are like the chairman of the department who gets given the facts and figures by the backroom staff who do understand how things work, these people don't' change with each government, they continue to work the figures, they sort out if the policy's can be workable, and advice how to implement what ever bollocks the latest party want to impart....

Hence why when a new party takes over they sometimes find they have ideas that are unworkable..

Nah Olivia I'm still frustrated. The difference is I live somewhere with excellent, reasonably priced wine, which does help me contain some of my frustration.

I do admire how you manage to construct coherent and reasoned arguments without resorting to expletives in the face of such - er - viewpoints. I'm afraid after a certain number of viewpoints I become an apoplectic mess.

Refusing to write a blank cheque to the EU, maybe they do know something and are not willing to show their hand YET.

I love how when you have you have nothing, you just keep pointing to problems, that your worried about, and since you KNOW so much, just when do you think there will be a knock on the door from the PM, so you can impart your knowledge...

@mummmy2017

Wait so we have knuckleheads as MPs and you trust things are gonna be ok?

I am not of the laissez faire type. My MPs need to be telling me why they are doing the things they are doing and why that is going to raise my standard of living

If they can’t or won’t then they need to get out.

The incompetence in Westminster these days is staggering. There are few in that lot with any redeeming features. If you’re happy to sign your future over to them I’m not.

@mummmy2017

Here you go again FFS.

How do you think the EU’s budgets get approved. Go on. Tell us.

I don't respect your view point, because it's not a view point it's just a list of what abouts, with no answers ever posted.

MPs are just figureheads

Except they are doing an excellent job of ignoring advice from their civil servants, Sir Ivan Rogers being a case in point.

I don't respect your view point, because it's not a view point it's just a list of what abouts, with no answers ever posted.

Eh? Either we're reading different posts or they're not the answers you're looking for

@AgnesSkinner

Here's Sir Ivan testifying at a Treasury Committee meeting. He's really very good. No rubbish out of him.Agree.

IVAN THE TERRIBLE

You give no answers