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Second EU referendum. How would you vote?

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JasAnglia94 · 11/07/2017 19:09

Sorry if this has been asked before.

I hear this statement made over and over again - that people would "vote differently if we had a EU referendum today". Would you though? Hmm

I was REALLY on the fence re. the referendum. I'm 23 and from a comfortable middle-class background.

In short, I think there is a surplus of people competing for jobs - both at graduate and service level - and that the situation is exasperated by free movement. I also think the problem of housing is made worse by free movement; that there isn't enough housing for people at the middle-lower end of the pay scale and that the number of people in this bracket is ever increasing.

However, I voted to remain last minute (after much persuasion). This was due to economic and environmental reasons. I don't trust the current government with environmental policy and I don't think price rises and fewer jobs (or jobs at lower pay) will help people like me. Confused

Would I vote differently now? No. However, I would definitely be more on the remain side than the leave (e.g. my shopping bill depresses me!). Sad

Was anyone else who was on the fence vote differently now?

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NearlyChristmasNow · 15/09/2017 13:58

I voted Remain and would do again. Nothing has happened which has persuaded me that leaving is a good idea.

Pensionista · 15/09/2017 14:00

MyNewHobbyIsGin.............because when you drink gin you think you have all the answers. Sorry you dont

BrandNewHouse · 15/09/2017 14:11

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SPARKS17 · 15/09/2017 14:14

I'd still vote leave, I think it is worth the short term pain for long term gain.

I was massively anti joining the euro and I think we all breathed a sigh of relief when the eurozone went kerplunk and we weren't part of it. Generally I think being part of the EU has bought benefits, no doubt, but I feel uncomfortable about the the direction Europe is heading as a collective and I think we are better retaining our independence.

I'm sick of both the stay/leave side pointing fingers in the press and on social media, it does nobody any favours at all and just breeds further resentment. Most of my friends family, voted remain and I respect their choice, just like they respect mine. We all have our own reasons for voting the way that we did. The decision has been made lets crack on.

Peregrina · 15/09/2017 14:15

I can't see why we couldn't keep the opt outs if we remained in. I agree if we left and then in say 10 years time an electorate which had changed decided to re-apply for membership then we probably wouldn't get them.

I don't pretend to be a military expert but personally always saw NATO as primarily about the American's pursuing the Cold War. There is a real need for a proper debate about what exactly we in the whole of Europe need in this matter. A debate which we are not having, it seems - whatever war the American President wants we rush into.

allegretto · 15/09/2017 14:21

I would vote Remain if I were allowed to vote this time. It was not a democratic process the first time round but I live in hope!

Flyingflipflop · 15/09/2017 14:24

I can't see why we couldn't keep the opt outs if we remained in.

I imagine to turn back A50 the rest of the EU need to agree. The first thing to come up for debate would be rebates followed swiftly by opt outs!

As for NATO, if Russia is becoming more belligerent, then I think the original aims are just as valid now.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 15/09/2017 14:24

Yes, I would change my vote.

I voted Remain first time around, but if there was a secobd referendum (which there thankfully won't be), I would vote Leave.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 15/09/2017 14:25

It was not a democratic process the first time round but I live in hope!

Yes, it was.

Pensionista · 15/09/2017 14:29

BrandNewHouse..........personally I prefer "Magical Thinking" than "constant remoaning" when the decision has been made and won't be changed. To me it serves no purpose to hang on to a hope that is not going to happen. Keep your "true beliefs" by all means, you are entitled to, I don't necessarily agree with "everything" that happens in politics, and I also have "true beliefs" but that's democracy. We voted, it's time to stop wasting time and get on with it, that's what I mean by "getting behind our Country" The action that would involve would be to shut up and move on.

RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 14:35

that's what I mean by "getting behind our Country"

Says the person "gets behind their country" by not living in the UK.

Peregrina · 15/09/2017 14:42

The decision has been made lets crack on.

Crack on with what though? Finding money for the NHS? Most would agree with this. I don't see any moves to make it happen. Replace EU staff who are leaving because they feel unwelcome would be a start so undoing the scrapping of bursaries for nursing and midwifery students would help - no talk of that happening.
Stemming the flow of scientists leaving already? Vague noises being made about telling them they are welcome when the evidence of their own eyes tells them they haven't been.
Sovereignty - this from the PM who has already been taken to Court over her attempts to by pass Parliament and now wants to make a power grab under the cover of Brexit?

Wormysquirmy · 15/09/2017 14:45

Leave and very much leave again.

It's going to be a horrible divorce, however. But all divorces are.

TheNumberfaker · 15/09/2017 14:48

so in the meantime why can't you and the rest of the remoaners get a grip and get behind "Our Country" instead of your doom and gloom predictions which may or May Not happen

Getting behind our country means standing up for what you believe is in the country's best interests. Economic oblivion, diminution of rights (freedom to travel and work etc, workers'rights), environmental protections; science and nuclear cooperation and investment...) and being reduced to an international laughing stock is NOT in the country's best interests

We had a vote, you lost, it's called democracy....get it ? Move on

Democracy does not stand still, reducing democracy to the level of a football match is ridiculous - what happens if North Korea starts shooting nukes, I'd rather be working with the rest of the EU than standing alone

At least have some loyalty to your own Country and be thankful we are democratic. Just because you did not like the result doesn't mean we should vote again until you get what "you remainers" want

As above, being loyal to your country means standing up for its best interests, not those of a handful of billionaires and a rabble of xenophobes

In case you misunderstand me I voted remain, but I accept the majority and just want our Country to get on with it and succeed

I don't believe this for a second

If I had a second chance I would vote leave because of the way the EU has behaved since with their bully boy tactics and because they are sore losers bit like remoaners actually

The EU27 is acting in the most transparent way possible to protect the remaining members by publishing everything! "Brexit is punishment enough." They are not bullying us at all

MyNewHobbyIsGin · 15/09/2017 14:57

Oh Pensionista I never said I did. I didn't even raise half of the issues. I don't believe anyone does have all the answers - including those leading the negotions.

No need to apologise, but thanks.

TheNumberfaker · 15/09/2017 15:00

personally I prefer "Magical Thinking" than "constant remoaning" when the decision has been made and won't be changed. To me it serves no purpose to hang on to a hope that is not going to happen
You don't have a crystal ball; we have as much right to say Brexit will be stopped as others have to say it won't. How did the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, end of Apartheid etc. happen?

Pensionista · 15/09/2017 15:07

RandomlyGenerated.... "get behind our Country". says a person not living in the UK........ .wtf has that got to do with anything...I am a British citizen and have paid my full wack of taxes......I voted to stay in. Is it okay with you if I still have an opinion about "my Country"

TheElementsSong · 15/09/2017 15:11

"Cracking on with it" "Getting behind your country" "Being loyal" "Make Brexit a success"

None of these vague exhortations ever seem to come with a useful level of detail behind them, do they?

Crucially, the only crystal-clear instruction I have been able to glean and would theoretically be able to personally act on, in all this time, is "Shut up/stop Remoaning" Hmm. So that is in actuality, the sum total of what Leavers themselves can suggest for the glory of Brexit Britain.

That we all spend our energies chirruping cheerfully like fucking UniKitty, and that will make everything Awesome.

Second EU referendum. How would you vote?
Pensionista · 15/09/2017 15:20

The Numberfaker........personally I dont care whether you believe me or not, but logic should tell you that living in the EU it was in my interest to vote remain. Jeez you just dont get it do you, I'm done discussing this now, got more important things to do, like having a nice glass of EU wine. Have a nice day.

RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 15:20

By all means, have an opinion about "your country", but forgive me if I don't give it much weight since you aren't living with the on-going fall out of Brexit in "your country".

Not sure what paying your "full w(h)ack of taxes" has to do with anything either.

Pensionista · 15/09/2017 15:22

MyNewHobbyisGin..........sorry if you misunderstood me, it was said tongue in cheek. I apologise so no need to thank me.

allegretto · 15/09/2017 15:32

Yes, it was
I will never accept it was a democratic process. As a UK citizen abroad other people voted to take my rights away. I was denied a vote - how is that democratic?

OCSockOrphanage · 15/09/2017 15:57

There was mention that the Schengen agreement on free movement may be suspended for a period of years in this morning's Times. It may be simplistic, but how is that different to the notion that we should be able to decide who is allowed to come to the UK?

BrandNewHouse · 15/09/2017 16:12

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Pensionista · 16/09/2017 09:45

BrandNewHouse.........you have brought this on people...........ffs how many times do I have to say I voted remain.
If you are so happy to give yourself a clap on the back for Brexit being a success, then common decency says you have to take responsibility for it being a failure...............I refer to my first sentence.......... The success or failure of Brexit does not depend on the voters, it is our government that is accountable, and for the negotiation process. We are all in this together, it will effect us all, at this point NO ONE knows what the outcome will be. It's in ALL our interests for it to be a success. You would have to be an idiot to "give yourself a clap on the back at this stage. Once and for all, shall we calm down and wait and see if it's a success or failure.