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Second EU referendum. How would you vote?

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JasAnglia94 · 11/07/2017 19:09

Sorry if this has been asked before.

I hear this statement made over and over again - that people would "vote differently if we had a EU referendum today". Would you though? Hmm

I was REALLY on the fence re. the referendum. I'm 23 and from a comfortable middle-class background.

In short, I think there is a surplus of people competing for jobs - both at graduate and service level - and that the situation is exasperated by free movement. I also think the problem of housing is made worse by free movement; that there isn't enough housing for people at the middle-lower end of the pay scale and that the number of people in this bracket is ever increasing.

However, I voted to remain last minute (after much persuasion). This was due to economic and environmental reasons. I don't trust the current government with environmental policy and I don't think price rises and fewer jobs (or jobs at lower pay) will help people like me. Confused

Would I vote differently now? No. However, I would definitely be more on the remain side than the leave (e.g. my shopping bill depresses me!). Sad

Was anyone else who was on the fence vote differently now?

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TheaSaurass · 12/07/2017 10:54

Of course the government has a plan, but what the Remainer chose to ignore, is that there is a small army of Brussels bureaucrats and 27 other leaders with their OWN plans/agenda.

We could do an SNP and make a lot of noise making demands and pretend there has been an agreement e.g. on the small matter of having a (or even a choice) of an independent currency the day after the vote (when no such agreement exists) - but in neither a real world negotiating tactics, its always best to hear and take on board, what the other geezer insists upon - before assuming ANY plan is a done deal.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/07/2017 16:52

I would vote to remain again

but I don't think we should have or will have a second referendum

RortyCrankle · 12/07/2017 20:10

There will be no second referendum but would still vote Leave.

UKrider · 12/07/2017 20:21

I'd vote the same. Remain

I've just asked my husband too. He'd vote the same again too - he's a leave voter.

(Yes we have interesting 'debates' in our house 😊)

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 12/07/2017 20:28

I voted Leave. I'd vote Leave again.

Scrumpington · 12/07/2017 21:54

Brexit is dead in the water. What a shambles the process has been and continues to be.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 12/07/2017 22:12

Brexit is dead in the water.

😂😂😂

Of course it's happening! Nothing will stop it, I'm afraid.

Scrumpington · 12/07/2017 22:15

Well if you use three emojis you must be right.

See you back here in 2019 to see how Brexited we actually turn out to be.

WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 12/07/2017 22:17

Yep, I'll see you when we're finally free Grin

Scrumpington · 12/07/2017 22:19

Bless.

Tilapia · 12/07/2017 22:20

I would still vote Remain.

babybarrister · 12/07/2017 22:23

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WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 12/07/2017 22:23

I knew remainers were deluded, but this is taking it to a whole new level Shock

Paddybare · 12/07/2017 22:25

I'd still be voting remain. Brexit was/is/will be a horror show. That a country would willingly vote to inflict such permanent self-harm boggles my mind. Oh and the trend for anti-intellectualism / people having enough of 'experts' make my blood boil.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 12/07/2017 22:40

The EU has really shown its true colours..

Yes, they are waiting patiently to negotiate and have been very clear on EU citizens rights. Davies and Johnson on the other hand appear to still be trying to pinpoint europe on a map.

TheaSaurass · 13/07/2017 01:19

Clear on EU citizens in the UK have more rights than UK citizens, with the ECJ superseding British courts and employment law, with rights that has slowed EU growth a decade after the crash - and in which other country do EU citizens and the ECJ have all those rights?

The EU like to tell us that we will be OUT their club, yet still want controls after we leave, until when, in perpetuity?

We want to get away from the time waste of UK government answering to Brussels bureaucracy and courts, not encourage it, when EU citizens will be fine under our laws, as we are, evidenced by those that come to work here from countries OUTSIDE the EU.

Mr Barnier talks about 'trust', yet does not trust British laws of justice.

TestTubeTeen · 13/07/2017 01:44

I would remain a Remain voter.

JasAnglia94 · 13/07/2017 04:34

I'm a bit ignorant but I fail to think of much that bothers me in the UK that is due to the EU and not our government. All of us have a bias and prejudice but what other than free movement seems to upset us? For e.g.Fracking, tuition fees, the bedroom tax, right to buy bother me. However, I think these are due to our government? I understand EU restrictions on e.g. Fishing bother people but I personally believe in such policies for conservation, sustainability reasons...

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Userwithoutaname · 13/07/2017 04:37

Same as last time ... remain

SouthLondonDaddy · 12/09/2017 16:56

I have quite never understood the whole rant about being free from unelected European bureaucrats. The silence I have always been met with when I pressed people for explicit details is, well, deafening! What blatantly oppressive and anti-British EU laws would you be more willing to get rid of, and why?

AFAIK, the Italians have never tried to criminalise putting cheese on your fish, or pineapple on your pizza. The Germans and the Czechs have never tried to outlaw warm ale in favour of cold lager. The Spanish welcome us in their resorts even if we drink sangria from a straw. Etc. etc.

I also don’t get the “unelected” bit. Democracy is always indirect. European bureaucrats are no more unelected than British bureaucrats in any British ministry or local council.

Oh, and good luck staffing hospitals and universities without Europeans.

One European lecturer I know asked this question to his class, in response to the request, highlighted in a student survey, to have more British lecturers:
How many of you want to do a PhD? Only a handful of hands raised.
And how many of you want to do it to then teach and become lecturers? No hands up.
Well, this is why you are stuck with so many foreign lecturers! :)

Flyingflipflop · 12/09/2017 17:04

I voted remain. I'd vote leave.

You can't overturn a vote just because you don't like it.

Also, if we called off Brexit now, the EU would have us over a barrel for evermore. There is no process for stopping A50 so to allow it the other members would want ever closer integration.

OCSockOrphanage · 14/09/2017 10:02

I voted Leave after consulting my not quite old enough to vote child, who had decided views. I read everything I could get my hands on at the time and my opinion was still flip-flopping daily.

Since the vote, and especially since yesterday's Juncker speech outlining his proposals for the next round, from 2019, I think I am glad we're leaving. Not because I am opposed to the EU or its inhabitants, but the thought of enshrining the centralization of power within the Commission and making the Parliament even less accountable to the 400 miilion-strong electorate seems capricious. Brussels will have a stranglehold on power and national politics will become (even more) irrelevant.

alltouchedout · 14/09/2017 10:06

Remain, as I did before.
I know people who voted leave who say they regret it or are unhappy with the way Brexit is going, but crucially none of them have said they'd vote remain if we got a second go.
I think we should have one, once the terms of the deal are known, but I'm not at all sure the result would be different.

smudge44 · 14/09/2017 13:56

This is such a tough one. I was swaying between the two sides in the referendum before eventually deciding that although the EU is far from perfect - the economic, political and security arguements meant I voted remain. My family and friends were fairly split down the middle.

Even now there are times when I see the unelected Jean-Claude Junker lecturing us and talking this great country down and think "actually maybe we are better clear of this federalist power grabbing instituion". On the other hand though, I think Brexit has caused so much financial and political chaos already (with surely the worst to come), I would still vote remain if asked again.

Although I wish that we'd voted remain as a country, I am a democrat and we had a vote and as sad as it is we need to follow through on it rather than try and have another vote till we get the "right" outcome.

jamie2 · 14/09/2017 14:02

I would vote leave (again)

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