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I think the tories will lose

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ethanrayne · 31/05/2017 21:27

I actually thought they would win, and there was nothing anyone could do. Now I think they will lose.

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Peanutbutterrules · 31/05/2017 22:38

I think the Tories will win - but hopefully with a really reduced majority so May can't claim to have a strong mandate. She's a disgrace.

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gillybeanz · 31/05/2017 22:39

Two of my friends a teacher and a nurse both say they are voting conservative.
They surprised me really as I haven't heard any other public service employees saying this, ever.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 31/05/2017 22:39

I fear the usual thing of Tory voters not admitting to voting Tory and pensioners not being large social media users will be the case again next week

I'll bite. I will be voting Conservative for the first time ever in a general election. First election I voted in was 1979 ; kept faith during the wilderness years of Foot and Kinnock.

I am a Labour party member. I did not vote for Corbyn. I think Corbyn is a petulant, tetchy, narrow minded, incompetent misogynist who will be utterly useless as PM. And that is before you even get started on MConnell and Abbott.

If Sturgeon gets her way re another Scottish independence he will be a disaster as he will refuse to work in a "Better Together" campaign in the same way he refuse to work effectively with Remain.

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LadyDeadpool · 31/05/2017 22:42

Not sure where people are getting the 10 point lead stuff from? YouGov and Newsnight have Tories at a 3 point lead.

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SemiNormal · 31/05/2017 22:45

The personal attacks on Corbyn should disgust anyone with even half decency about them. Even Thatcher said attacking the person showed you lost the argument -

It's very interesting to see you say this when a huge number of Corbyn 'fans' have been extremely nasty to people who disgree with his political views. Did you say the same thing when Nigel Farage was repeatedly vilified and hounded? It appears it's acceptable to many when it's Nigel Farage and they don't like his views yet God forbid anyone dares say an ill word against Corbyn. Very interesting indeed.

FWIW I don't know who I am voting for yet but if I decide to vote Tory (unlikely) then I know if I say anything on here I'd be called stupid, ignorant, selfish etc ... by many many Corbyn followers; I couldn't say the same about Mays supporters if I were to say I'd decided to vote Tory. It shouldn't sway my opinion about who to vote for but it does because if voting Labour would feel like I'd been pressured/bullied/guilt-tripped into it because obviously voting Tory would mean I have no conscience Hmm

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Sadik · 31/05/2017 22:45

LadyDeadpool I think anything showing a lead of less than 10 - 12 points for the Tories basically relies on some pretty heroic & unlikely assumptions about turnout amongst 18-25 year olds.

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pictish · 31/05/2017 22:46

I will be voting SNP.

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Rhayader · 31/05/2017 22:46

Ladydeadpool

literally every other poll - yougov seems to be very pro labour at the moment. This morning they were saying that there would be a hung parliament.

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underneaththeash · 31/05/2017 22:48

I really hope she will....Jeremy Corbyn is not a credible alternitive.

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underneaththeash · 31/05/2017 22:49

alternative..

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Vango · 31/05/2017 22:49

Lass genuine observation - I can't understand how anyone can be committed enough to be a member of a political party yet decide to vote for a different party with such wildly opposing principles? Aren't you voting for party policies, not the party leader?

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explodingkittens · 31/05/2017 22:49

I don't know. I'd like to think that people have started to see the reality of Tory rule but I just think lots of people don't really think about this stuff. They just go out and vote for whomever they voted for last time, or who their parents always voted for, or who their partner voted for.

I had dinner with a group of friends last week, all intelligent women. All kind, hardworking, lovely women. Kids at state schools. Working in education, many of them. Not a hedge fund manager among them! All of them Tory voters. All of them incredulous that I am voting labour, absolutely incredulous. One of them actually said, how can you vote for that man, how can you think he'll be able to run the country when he can't even trim the rose bush over his front door?

They aren't stupid. They aren't evil. They just don't think that hard about it. They don't want to pay more tax, that's what it boils down to. They're OK, they're comfortable enough, so why should they make their lives more 'difficult' by voting for anyone but the Tories? And that's why I think we'll lose, because they are the norm in this country.

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Valentine2 · 31/05/2017 22:49

I think Corbyn had some very strong moments today. I now really really like Lucas too.
There were many moments when Rudd literally destroyed Tory party side:

  1. When she tried to defend the arms sell to Saudis by saying it is good for the industry. That was a major fuck up.
  2. When she didn't say much against Corbyn's "have you ever been to a food bank?" line.
  3. When she said "judge us on our record", I nearly fell out of sofa laughing, so did the audience. Grin


I also think Corbyn and Lucas came our strongest. Farron did look like he can talk but I think his only hope is in an alliance with Labour and Green now.
I think the biggest applauses went to Lucas and Corbyn and rightly so too.
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Peregrina · 31/05/2017 22:49

I hope those Labour and public sector workers who are voting for the Tories don't come along whining in the next few years when they see the NHS and education trashed - oh and find that their elderly parents can't afford carers or lose their house in the process. I hope they remind themselves that this was what they voted for.

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Sostenueto · 31/05/2017 22:50

Muckypup that is not such a bad theory actually. Let's face it who the hell would want to lead the negotiations in Europe. Half the country will blame you if you don't get a soft brexit a quarter want a hard brexit and the last quarter wants another referendum. Whichever way it's political suicide.

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PollyPerky · 31/05/2017 22:52

why is MN so left wing?
It doesn't seem representative of society.

Tired of all the Tory bashing threads.

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Sostenueto · 31/05/2017 22:53

May never said anything in her manifesto about NOT putting up taxes, so if you vote Tory expect tax hikes.

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Orlantina · 31/05/2017 22:54

Caroline Lucas is just great. There are quite a few MPs in Parliament who really stand out for me and she is one of them.

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SemiNormal · 31/05/2017 22:54

why is MN so left wing?
It doesn't seem representative of society


It's probably not, it's probable that many people other people have just decided to shut up about politics on here because they're sick of being insulted for their political views.

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ArseOfInfinity · 31/05/2017 22:54

muckypup73 forgive me if I'm mistaking you, but I don't think I am.

Yesterday you were on the Corbyn live web chat, slagging him off numerous times, saying he was trying to steal the sugar from your iron bru....

I've seen you all over mn today slagging off the Tories and supporting Corbyn?

What's going on?

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pictish · 31/05/2017 22:55

"One of them actually said, how can you vote for that man, how can you think he'll be able to run the country when he can't even trim the rose bush over his front door?"

To be honest, that is quite stupid isn't it?

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SarfEast1cated · 31/05/2017 22:56

as others have said, I have been optimistic before, and then Trump, and then Brexit. I'm not optimistic any more.

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CakeAhoy · 31/05/2017 22:56

Caroline Lucas is just great. There are quite a few MPs in Parliament who really stand out for me and she is one of them

She thinks women should be called 'non men' so we don't offend trans women.

She's a menace to women, as lovely as she seems.

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Sostenueto · 31/05/2017 22:57

Even though I'm labour PollyPerky I would never bash you about voting for what you believe in. Your vote is your vote, however, I may try in many ways to convince you to change your mind which is not Tory bashing just debate. Smile

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DancingLedge · 31/05/2017 22:57

Too frit to turn up and debate, like evey other would-be PM has?
Yet claims to be strong?

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