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I think the tories will lose

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ethanrayne · 31/05/2017 21:27

I actually thought they would win, and there was nothing anyone could do. Now I think they will lose.

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ExplodedCloud · 03/06/2017 16:16

I don't know wrong
I suspect that some would and some wouldn't.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/06/2017 16:27

Would anyone who is hoping for a Labour win care to give their prediction for how the Labour infighting (understatement) would play out once they are in government? Will the 80% of MPs who wanted to get rid of Corbyn support him? Will the Guardian who have lobbied against Corbyn almost as much as against the Tories suddenly back him? What do people think would happen?

Such a valid question

I'll try and answer it from my view point, I will lay my cards out on the table I'm a Labour party member, joined because of and voted for Corbyn in the 2nd leadership contest, also voted for Labour during the Kinnock and Blair with a sad heart years, so my bias is out there so you can use it to measure my response

A lot of the justification of the 'Blairite' (I dont mean it as an insult) side of the party is that Corbyn wasnt going to translate well to the electorate this to some degree would now seem innacurate, they also felt that the 'left' policies of Corbyn would not work well in this current 'centrist' type era of politics, ignoring the fact that a lot of issues Labour voters had in the 2015 election was the fact they were an austerity light party, why have semi skimmed tory when yo can go for the full fat version.

The Guardian being a neo-liberal left leaning paper meant that they got on board with the anti Corbyn rhetoric because of the vested interests of its owner, socialism is the antithesis of neo liberalism, but they have decided to go with Labour and not the Lib-Dems for this election probably a death knoll in my mind

So I'm hoping and thats all it is is hope that if in the unlikely event that Labour get in this time the right/centrist part of the PLP realise that the upcoming generations are expecting something different than those that voted for Blair which was just a run on of the neo-liberal direction Thatcher and Reagan started in the 80's

Dawndonnaagain · 03/06/2017 16:33

I agree with JustAnother. I suspect that much of the infighting was due to people thinking 'dinosaur' and being concerned about their seats. In fact those 'dinosaur' policies are what has brought the grass roots of the party together in a way it hasn't been for a long time and we're telling the elected members what we want, not allowing them to dictate to us.
As with another, I'll lay my politics on the line. I have in the past been a Labour Councillor.

ExplodedCloud · 03/06/2017 16:40

I think there will be a group who won't work with Corbyn under any circumstances though. I'm pretty sure some like Stephen Kinnock and Mandelson in the Lords won't be happy but it's not hugely different to when Ted Heath was sniping at Thatcher for all those years.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/06/2017 16:43

Mandelson

He who should not be named

Grin
Oblomov17 · 03/06/2017 16:50

I don't think they'll lose. I fear May will continue for some time.

WrongTrouser · 03/06/2017 17:47

Interesting replies to my question, thanks.

MarciaBlaine · 03/06/2017 18:43

" I don't understand why Rudd didn't point out the unfairness of asking non graduates to fund graduates, the opportunity cost of that policy and the huge unaffordablity of his policies now and in the future." But surely graduates will statistically be more likely to pay more tax in the future, whereas lower earners are not being asked to pay anything?

Re. The divisions in the Labour Party, if Jeremy gets them a win (one which would have been totally unforeseen a couple of months ago), I'm sure the great and the good will be queuing up for cabinet positions. These are politicians we are speaking of Grin

christinarossetti · 03/06/2017 19:58

May is finished.

Calling an unnecessary election to boost her majority with the best outcome for her being not losing sears.

She's out of a job as from next week.

Thank fuck.

fakenamefornow · 03/06/2017 22:43

Seen this.

mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18U0U5

I hope the Tories do win but with a decreased majority. Brexit is all their fault and they should have to take the blame. Come 2019 when we see what a mess this is I don't want the Tories to blame Labour for cocking it up by being unable to deliver the impossible.

Would anyone who is hoping for a Labour win care to give their prediction for how the Labour infighting (understatement) would play out once they are in government? Will the 80% of MPs who wanted to get rid of Corbyn support him? Will the Guardian who have lobbied against Corbyn almost as much as against the Tories suddenly back him? What do people think would happen?

From a different perspective. I was a Blair supporter didn't like Corbyn, thought him completely unelectable. Only in very recent weeks I've come round to him and changed my mind. I think I was wrong about him before, maybe many Labour MPs will feel the same?

fakenamefornow · 03/06/2017 22:45

Somebody told me the other day that there have been five snap elections since the 1920s. None of them have gone as expected. Don't know if this is true or not.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 22:46

maybe many Labour MPs will feel the same?

That have worked with and known him for years? I very much doubt it.

MarciaBlaine · 03/06/2017 22:58

I think that if Jeremy Corbyn delivers the the Labour Party a very sudden election victory, there will be all sorts of humble pie being eaten. They couldn't get behind him because he was "unelectable". He's not looking so shit now. There will be much mumbling going on within the PLP right now. I have no idea how it will all turn out. I hope at the very least that the tories lose their clear majority. We need some of the current policies being challenged and overturned.

Dawndonnaagain · 03/06/2017 23:03

The Guardian have backed him today.
The MPs have quietened down, hopefully realising that actually, Corbyn is who the grass roots want, not Blairite clones. I voted Green last election because I'm a socialist at heart and there were no socialists in the Labour party at that time. This time I shall vote Labour.

christinarossetti · 04/06/2017 02:12

I think it's fair to say that May is toast, given that the way things are going she'll be lucky not to lose seats.

Couldn't happen to a better person.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/06/2017 07:29

From a different perspective. I was a Blair supporter didn't like Corbyn, thought him completely unelectable. Only in very recent weeks I've come round to him and changed my mind. I think I was wrong about him before, maybe many Labour MPs will feel the same?

Possibly. I'm of the Blairite persuasion too but I haven't come round to him.

Sostenueto · 04/06/2017 07:58

Another terrorist attack in London, thoughts and prayers to all those who have lost their lives, the injured and all their families. R.I.P.

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