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I think the tories will lose

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ethanrayne · 31/05/2017 21:27

I actually thought they would win, and there was nothing anyone could do. Now I think they will lose.

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Sionella · 01/06/2017 14:19

If they fuck up Brexit, it'll take a lot longer than 5 years to sort out

citroenpresse · 01/06/2017 14:20

Brexit IS a fuck up. There is no magic solution.

Sionella · 01/06/2017 14:21

But there are varying degrees of fuck-up!

Gottagetmoving · 01/06/2017 14:22

I am hoping it will backfire on May for calling an election in the same way as it backfired for Cameron when he went for the referendum.
Both of them so sure of themselves and so arrogant.

May was so sure it was going to be an easy victory that she didn't realise she may have to fight for it. She has proved to be weak and someone who cannot stand up to debate or even deal with members of the public when they ask her a question she doesn't like.
There are only so many times we need to hear 'strong economy' and 'strong leadership' and bloody 'strong and stable' without her actually explaining how those phrases apply to them. Apart from that, she says little else of anything solid.

citroenpresse · 01/06/2017 14:27

Re varying degrees of fuck up, May has shown her true colours now...timid re policy, easily influenced (responding to Tory fears in changing policy), panic. strong and stable, good deal blah blah blah. What is it you want will be the EU response. What does May want?! What IS a good deal?

Believeitornot · 01/06/2017 14:34

I don't want them to really.

But how can a politically driven Brexit ever be good for the country? We need something neutral without the taint of party politics?

lollylou2876 · 01/06/2017 14:35

I like may, quite a lot for a tory!

But they're hanging themselves, slowly but surely, on key issues, education, NHS, social care, and the war on the disabled, austerity has simply gone to far.

They promised to trim the fat, and are now hacking at bare bones - a step too far for most!

Headofthehive55 · 01/06/2017 14:47

I do think it's right that disability claims are reassessed periodically. We were in the unfortunate position if have an allowance due to our daughter being quite disabled as a young child. However with age she improved, as those children often do. I gather I could have happily took the payment for years without reassessment. It was only because I wrote to them to stop the payment as I felt we no longer qualified they did so!

There other thing that does concern me is the NHS. I can only say what I see, (I'm a nurse) but by the end if the last labour govt patients were being cancelled for life saving surgery regularly. I don't see that these days.
i think you do go on what you see, your own experiences.

ArseOfInfinity · 01/06/2017 15:08

And if your daughter hadn't improved Headofthehive55?

If she had grown up still needing help, reports from consultants, evidence that she couldn't cope in life but was turned down and forced to appeal and appeal...left with no money and no support.

Would it be worth it then for the minuscule amount of 'chancers' that get caught out?

Dawndonnaagain · 01/06/2017 15:09

Head I think to an extent you are right. There are fluctuating conditions and some that improve with time. However, I do think that some conditions should be left alone. An adult with Cerebral Palsy, a degenerative disease, or a mental illness such as schizophrenia should perhaps be left alone.
As for life saving surgery being cancelled, trust me, it happens a fair bit these parts.

HelenaDove · 01/06/2017 15:22

Victims of terrorism should be left alone too.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/double-amputee-77-survivor-daniel-biddle-dwp-insensitive-disability-benefit-questions-a6874741.html

There are people still in hospital with life changing injuries after last weeks atrocity in Manchester.

They have very likely got the same fight ahead of them!!!

HornyTortoise · 01/06/2017 15:52

I hope, but can;t see it happening. I do think there is a large chance they will lose some seats though and am finding it rather amusing that she called this election as she was so sure she would walk it, and the lead is lowering by the day. I still think the Tories will win, but they will not do as well as May thought they would do. I can actually see a hung parliament in the days ahead...

woman12345 · 01/06/2017 15:58

Helena May defends that candidate. Shock
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-defends-tory-candidate-who-10542000

Dawndonnaagain · 01/06/2017 16:01

Ahh, another caring Tory MP, bit like the one from Bath that said those in receipt of free school lunches were scum and should be eradicated.
Or the guy from Nottinghamshire who stated that a man with learning difficulties should learn time keeping. He was four minutes late for his appointment and was sanctioned.
Lovely system!
Angry

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/06/2017 16:07

More than one Labour member, candidates and MPs have been suspended.

In fact one prominent Labour vice chairperson was suspended last week for false flag allegations and the Manchester attack.

Even LibDems have had issues.

All parties have there issues.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/06/2017 16:10

Glad your DH appointment was ok @Helena Dove

I have one next week. Not looking forward to it at all. Sad

Dawndonnaagain · 01/06/2017 16:20

I'm sure they're all twits at times Piglet, you're right to some extent, it can be cross party, just sometimes some things seem to hit home harder.

Jux · 01/06/2017 16:48

I think Corbyn could be a superb leader, but I don't think he'll get the chance.

As for May, if the Tories do win, I hope there'll be a vote of no confidence on 9th June.

HelenaDove · 01/06/2017 17:21

Piglet. Thanks Try not to worry. Easy to say though i know.

Its a 6 to 8 week wait for the result after the assessment.

NoLotteryWinYet · 01/06/2017 19:17

Sorry you're worried piglet, last thing you need.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/06/2017 19:19

Thank you all Flowers

imjessie · 01/06/2017 19:25

All she is talking about is how she is going to manage Brexit Ans how Corbyn will mess it up.. what about your policies and how you are going to help the NHS and schools etc . Totally bizarre !

Raspberriesaretheonlyfruit · 01/06/2017 19:25

She didn't call the election because it was an easy win!

She was an unelected leader who had to manage a massive political negotiation. She would have been slated for not calling an election once negioating starts proper.

Gottagetmoving · 01/06/2017 19:30

There other thing that does concern me is the NHS. I can only say what I see, (I'm a nurse) but by the end if the last labour govt patients were being cancelled for life saving surgery regularly. I don't see that these days.
i think you do go on what you see, your own experiences

Wow,...you don't sound like any nurse I know. I have relatives and friends in nursing. They say quite different. They also say the pressure they are under is badly affecting them.