Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

"No, but most posters are not interested in discussing Trump "

Well, a) neither are you and b) kind of says a lot really.

But you are not discussing Trump. You are just repeating the same tired old phrases again and again. The reason we weren't discussing Trump over Christmas was probably the same reason for your absence. We were celebrating Christmas with our families.

Lots of posters ae interested in discussing Trump, i would have posted over xmas as I'm bloody bed bound

They just need someone to score points off?

Is it because you can't justify your points that you are now changing the goal posts?

I'd like to see you address my theory on the political correctness argument, but you won't. When your arguments are challenged you get all ad homy.

It is debate to challenge your points on Trump,I am certainly interested in debate.

If it's that bad, why are you on thread no. 7 then (plus the ones at the beginning that weren't counted). I'm very surprised you grace us with your presence.....

Is it because people actually challenge you claig? that you can't refute the arguments, are we stopping you from saying what you want?

Political correctness gone mad I tell you.

'Well, a) neither are you'

Yes I am. I link to articles from the Guardian and elsewhere to bring up points for discussion.

'You are just repeating the same tired old phrases again and again'

I do use the same phrases as part of discussing the Trump Phenomenon because they are integral to it

'I'd like to see you address my theory on the political correctness argument, but you won't.'

We have discussed "political correctness" over many of the past threads, when you were lurking, and I said it was the key underlying factor to the whole people's revolution and I quoted and linked to an article by Bernie Sanders who said it was why Trump won and in reply there were the usual posters saying "what is it you want to say but feel you aren't allowed to by political correctness?". Bernie Sanders understands it, that is why I linked to an article on him saying it.

'If it's that bad, why are you on thread no. 7 then'

Because as I said, it is a laugh, don't take it seriously, and don't take some of the posters seriously particularly B

'I'm very surprised you grace us with your presence.....'

I am not doing it for your presence, you think it is a cult or something, so I don't know why you bother reading it as you dont seem to get it

'Is it because people actually challenge you claig?'

While you were "lurking", I was being challenged over many threads for years. I don't mind challenge

"I do use the same phrases as part of discussing the Trump Phenomenon because they are integral to it"

Yes but they aren't correctly applied are they, so therefore they are just meaningless.

You haven't addressed my theory on the political correctness point.

BTW Bernie would have beaten Trump, so would Obama, your great candidate is only a winner because of a catastrophic decision by the other side.

Resorting to saying "I don't get it" is because I don't agree with you. Yep, you're right. However, Ive just a much right to be here and post as you.

I don't know what 2017 has done to you so far, but you're far more rattled than you were in 2016. New sparky posters challenging you is probably the reason.

Maybe not so sparky, bored and up to the eyes on tramadol more like it.

'so therefore they are just meaningless'

Aren't you a Remainer? Of course they are meaningless to you. There has been a people's revolution. Did you understand Brexit, are you on the Trump Train or is it all meaningless and was the Guardian right about Trump?

'You haven't addressed my theory on the political correctness point.'

I didn't know you had a "theory". What is it? I hope it is not out of the Guardian, D'Ancona or one of those whizzkids, because then it is most probably arse about face, like D'Ancona.

'BTW Bernie would have beaten Trump, so would Obama, your great candidate is only a winner because of a catastrophic decision by the other side.'

No because what you call meaningless is what drives the people's revolution all across teh Western world and that is "political correctness" and Bernie Sanders is politically correct and so is Obama with his transgender bathroom stuff in North Carolina, and even though Obama is a fantastic speaker and communicator, the people's revolution is anti political correctness which is why the left will be out of power for a very long time indeed. In fact, only Murdoch and 18 years of Tory rule brought Blair in a long time ago and only Murdoch helped him stay in, but they won't be back for ages and ages because the people's revolution brought in Trump and no amount of Murdochs can now help the elite and Oxbridge Labour any more.

It's a bit odd for people from either side of the argument to be throwing around accusations of why people weren't around at Christmas. Because people from both sides were in general missing.

Me personally, I thought it would be nice to take a break from arguing about Trump and to instead enjoy my family's company. I did post on a couple of threads about Trump, but mostly I avoided any sort of news.

I suspect that is the case with most but I did notice one poster who was very determined to argue before Christmas migrated onto another topic to vociferously argue, so not everyone took a peaceful break to recharge.

'Resorting to saying "I don't get it" is because I don't agree with you. Yep, you're right. However, Ive just a much right to be here and post as you. '

I didn't say you can't. I liked your posts but you said "these threads are pointless" and you surprised me by thinking it was some sort of blind faith cult which means that you don't really get that it is both a discussion and a laugh and if you really think they are pointless and a cult, then maybe other threads might seem to have more of a point.

But I like your posts, you are not snide and you can of course post whatever you like and maybe you will see that the threads are not that pointless and some good points are made

'I don't know what 2017 has done to you so far, but you're far more rattled than you were in 2016.'

I'm not but after a two week break and having the same "what is it you would like to say but feel you are not allowed to by political correctness?" questions, and posters thinking it is a "cult" after 7 threads and many before that, then I just wonder where all the good posters went

No, but most posters are not interested in discussing Trump which is why many who were here over Christmas had nothing to say on it.

FFS, Claig, YOU asked for the discussion to stop over Christmas. People just respected your request.

There were 7 posts just after Christmas, between me and Darth mostly. We agree with each other, so there wasn't much else to say. :)

I've told you my point about political correctness, you haven't even acknowledged it.

Of course the things you say are meaningless. The people - Trump didn't win the popular vote. The elites, Trump is the elite, Brexit was backed by the elite right wing of the Tory party and their cronies.

Drain the swamp? A cabinet full of cronies.

Oxbridge? You quote it when you like, when you want support.

It is meaningless.

So I'll repeat my point on political correctness. I think its actually a way of making it sound like you are being silenced, when you actually aren't, but when you debate things like race, climate change, gender etc, the prejudices of those on one side are exposed and they can't argue with the factual basis and rational arguments given to them, so then you claim you are being silenced.

Which you are but not because you aren't allowed to say it, because what you say doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

''so therefore they are just meaningless''

After posting links and explanations and then being told that it is all "just meaningless" by a former lurker after 7 threads and more when I don't call anyone's posts "meaningless" even if they really are, I wonder if some posters are just trying to battle and score points

'FFS, Claig, YOU asked for the discussion to stop over Christmas. People just respected your request.'

No I didn't. I said I have to take a break to do stuff for Christmas and Merry Christmas everyone. I didn't tell anyone what to do or where to post or when to post or what to post

No you just called me brainwashed and other things earlier, and repeatedly attack me.

After posting links and explanations and then being told that it is all "just meaningless"

You do post a lot, but the most part is meaningless or contradictory. Nothing resembling an actual consistent explanation.
You'd never get past peer review with your reasoning.

I've posted on virtually all threads, so I can say this. :)

'Of course the things you say are meaningless'

Of course

But claig.... we can say the same. You too are just repeating yourself with the same old with added 'Pestons' ! So as much as you say we are doing that... so are you!

Onward and upward....

'The people - Trump didn't win the popular vote'

You have brought that up before and I explained why and that the election was not about teh popular vote and if it was it would have been a different strategy etc etc etc, so if you want to score points why not answer all those points written above rather than say the same thing repeatedly?

My apologies, you didn't indeed. Just waved goodbye to all.
I think most people just took it as a Christmas truce.

It is odd, though, that all except one previously prolific Trump fan disappeared from MN during that period. Not even posted on other threads. Whereas pretty much everyone else posted more or less during the entire period.

'But claig.... we can say the same. You too are just repeating yourself with the same old with added 'Pestons' ! So as much as you say we are doing that... so are you! '

Yes, but I am having a laugh and not trying to score points off you or any other poster unless they try to score points off me. I repeat stuff about the people, the elites, Blair, Trump, the BBC, the Establishment teams etc because it is not personal saying that your posts are "meaningless", it is integral to why Trump won and why none of the Establishment saw it coming and it is also a laugh

'No you just called me brainwashed and other things earlier, and repeatedly attack me'

No, I take the piss out of the Guardian, the New Statesman and their teams and any excuse to have a laugh at the pompous prats, I like to get in. The brainwashing is about them, I slip it in about you, but I don't know if you read the Guardian, the Telegraph or the Beano, so it is not about you, it is about them and taking the piss out of their pomposity