Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

'I think previous settlements by Clinton were considered as an admission of guilt, were they not?'

In that case, I would expect no less.

Ah but not in Trump's case?

Double standards, confirmation bias. Lots of logical fallacy there Claigy.

'You can tell Trump is anti mexican by his statements'

They won't say this on the BBC. The teams will not report this.

Latinos for Trump

tried to paint it as if Trump was anti Mexican.

That was NOT the criticism.
He said he thought the judge would be impartial because of Trump's anti-Mexican stand and the judge's Mexican heritage.

"I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump -- a hater. He's a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel. And he is not doing the right thing,"
""What happens is the judge, who happens to be we believe Mexican."
""I'm telling you, this court system, judges in this court system, federal court, they ought to look into Judge Curiel," Trump said. "Because what Judge Curiel is doing is a total disgrace, OK?""
""I think it has to do perhaps with the fact that I'm very, very strong on the border, very, very strong at the border," Trump told Fox News in an interview. "He has been extremely hostile to me.""

""There's a hostility toward me by the judge tremendous hostility beyond belief," Trump said then. "I believe he happens to be Spanish, which is fine. He's Hispanic -- which is fine.""

And (www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-05/trump-says-u-s-allies-should-pay-in-full-for-american-defense)

"“But he’s an American,” Tapper said of the Indiana-born jurist. “If you’re saying he cannot do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?”

“No, he’s proud of his heritage,” Trump said. “We’re building a wall. He’s a Mexican.”"

It was reported that there were some Latinos voting for Trump.

"The teams will not report this".

Its funny then that every other poster here who reads a wider range of things than you seems better informed?

I read loads of stuff about how Trump voters broke down by gender, by ethnicity. It was everywhere.

Yes, we do know that some Latino groups (they're not all the same) supported Trump. Particularly the older Cuban immigrants.

What did the BBC report on Latino support for Trump?

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37869067
"Latinas campaigning for Trump say they want to focus on his pro-business policies"

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37882901
"American Hispanics mostly vote Democrat but Florida's large Cuban population - which make up 31% of the state's Hispanic vote - have traditionally voted Republican."

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661
"Research group Latino Decisions projects that 79% of Hispanic voters will support Hillary Clinton." (Meaning that 21% supports Trump (or another candidate)

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35758156
Latinos and others

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37922587
Who voted for Trump?
(...) 29% of Hispanics

They didn't do a very good job of hiding the Latinos supporting Trump, did they?

Also possible of course that Trump himself doesn't have any antipathy towards Mexicans but knows that lots of the people who he wanted to vote for him do.

That's what makes him a populist and a demagogue. The fact that we don't actually know what he thinks, but we know that he will say whatever he needs to win. That's the art of the deal. Say what will convince them. But it's not the art of the successful business or successful leadership. Because when you realise you can't live up to your promises or go back on your word, people are let down and your businesses fail.

That's another of the kind of things that play well before the election. But now, we don't care.

The Democrats and the left are all about "divide and conquer", that is the only way they can win and enforce the elite's policies of "political correctness" because common sense is against that. Only by setting races and classes against each other can the left ever beat common sense which is why they try to divide the people and get the media to lie about Trump who threatens the elite like they have never been threatened before.

Trump said in his historic speech

"our movement is an existential threat like they have never seen before"

He beat them, the dividers, the "room full of liars", the Establishment teams, the servants of the elites and the world will be much better for it. They still want war with Russia and want to divide America and Russia, but Trump is too smart for the teams, he knows their game.

The speech that frightened the elites to their bones and made them pick up the phone and speed dial Blair and Sir Bob in desperation, and it had to be desperate to call those two clowns

Trump vs the Establishment

Oh, look you do have plenty of time, claig. :)

But, but, but. Liars, the people, winning, the elite, bullying.

Can we play Claig bingo?

Trump's politics is the politics of divide and conquer ( and he didn't even manage that) he points out the divisions, capitalises on them, and offers simple solutions to complex problems.

The media don't lie about Trump, all the things he has been called upon for he has brought on himself.

The political correctness thing is rubbish too. That's been explained and you are yet to challenge it.

'The Democrats and the left are all about "divide and conquer"'

It's funny you say that because only earlier today reading this thread it became apparent that there are posters who appear to want to divide and conquer and just WIN an argument, whatever it takes - morale high ground anything, as long as they WIN.

It's not an interesting exchange of ideas - more like a battle.

'and offers simple solutions to complex problems. '

This is the Labour spiel, all of the 172 use this line on TV interviews. They have all had the same policy text message from the one whizzkid geek who writes all the guff the 172 and Owen Banter, their candidate, always say.

'It's not an interesting exchange of ideas - more like a battle.'

Absolutely. The threads went dead over the Christmas break because they were all here but couldn't battle any more. They had to wait until I came back so that they could all be here battling away as they have been longing to do.

DarthPlagueis, the former lurker, is making up for lost time over the Christmas break when she was deprived of battling away, and now she is giving it all she has got

I don't want to win- there isn't anything to win on this thread.

'The threads went dead over the Christmas break because they were all here but couldn't battle any more. They had to wait until I came back so that they could all be here battling away as they have been longing to do.'

Yes Claig I noticed that the thread stopped on Boxing Day - and then as soon as you come back it's like everyone to their battle stations.

I think you cope amazing well - when they come at you from ALL sides!

A few answers would be nice, though, but I think I've given up on that.

We can see where claig gets it from. Just keep sayin' it, again and again and again. Enough people will believe you. Then say it some more. And some more.

From the New York Times' list of Trump's tweets against Clinton:

“Crooked” “Crooked” “unfit to serve” “decades of lies and scandal"“Crooked Hillary's corruption is closing in” “Crooked” “Guilty - cannot run” “a big mistake” “Crooked” “Crooked” “should not be allowed to run for president” “Crooked” “Crooked Hillary” “unfit to be president” “Bad judgement!” “We must not let #CrookedHillary take her CRIMINAL SCHEME into the Oval Office” “Crooked” “launched her political career by letting terrorists off the hook” “Hillary said she was under sniper fire (while surrounded by USSS.) Turned out to be a total lie. She is not fit to lead our country” “Crooked H” “Crooked” “wants to take in as many Syrians as possible” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “FAILED ALL OVER THE WORLD” “loves to lie” “She'll say anything and change NOTHING!” “Crooked” “a Wall Street PUPPET!” “Crooked” “has never created a job in her life” “Crooked” “Crooked” “a foreign policy DISASTER” “you have failed, failed, and failed” “too weak to lead” “no solutions, no ideas, no credibility” “the most corrupt person to ever run for the presidency of the United States” “If we let Crooked run the govt, history will remember 2017 as the year America lost its independence” “So CROOKED” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Such a dishonest person” “crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “SO CORRUPT!” “Crooked”
“should be in jail” “Crooked” “PAY TO PLAY POLITICS” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Fraud” “Crooked” “Crooked” “disgraceful behavior” “unfit to run” “Crooked”
“Hypocrite” “Hypocrite!” “nothing Hillary has said about her secret server has been true” “If I win-I am going to instruct my AG to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation” “there's never been anything like your lies” “Crooked” “has only created jobs at the FBI and DOJ!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “nasty to Sanders supporters behind closed doors” “Owned by Wall St and Politicians” “Crooked” “Crooked” “suffers from BAD JUDGEMENT!” “Crooked” “terrible!” “failing for 30 years” “not getting the job done” “Crooked” “failed all over the world” “a typical politician” “all talk, no action” “taking the day off again, she needs the rest” “copying my airplane rallies” “puts the plane behind her like I have been doing from the beginning”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “said horrible things about my supporters” “SO INSULTING to my supporters” “Crooked” “very dumb” “totally confused” “Unfit to serve as #POTUS” “just gave a disastrous news conference” “Lyin'”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “doesn't have the strength or the stamina to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” “doesn't have the drive or stamina to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “brainpower is highly overrated, decision making is so bad” “has BAD JUDGEMENT” “Crooked” “Crooked” “called African-American youth “SUPER PREDATORS”” “Crooked” “will NEVER be able to solve the problems of poverty, education and safety” “CORRUPTION” “SABOTAGE OF THE INNER CITIES” “only knows how to make a speech when it is a hit on me” “No policy” “using the oldest play in the Dem playbook” “using race-baiting” “all talk and NO ACTION!” “pandering to the worst instincts in our society” “She should be ashamed of herself!” “crooked” “lies” “fear-mongering!” “LIE!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “not a talented person or politician” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “not fit to be our next president!” “Anybody whose mind 'SHORT CIRCUITS' is not fit to be our president! Look up the word 'BRAINWASHED.” “Crooked” “Very dangerous!”
“bad judgment” “unfit to serve as President” “incompetent” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!” “Crooked” “100% owned by her donors” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“has very small and unenthusiastic crowds in Pennsylvania” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “a formula for disaster!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “a lose cannon” “extraordinarily bad judgement & insticts” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“Crooked “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “very long and very boring speech”
“Crooked” “no one has worse judgement” “corruption and devastation follows her” “owned by Wall Street!” “unfit to lead the country” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “wants to flood our country with Syrian immigrants that we know little or nothing about” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “incompetent” “a liar!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “betrayed Bernie voters” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “judgement so bad” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “not at all loyal” “Crooked” “BAD JUDGEMENT” “Crooked” “killed jobs!” “Crooked” “destroyed jobs and manufacturing” “Against steelworkers and miners” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “look at all of the bad decisions she has made” “Crooked” “led Obama into bad decisions!”
“Crooked” “bought and paid for by Wall Street, lobbyists and special interests” “will sell our country down the tubes!” “has made so many mistakes” “Crooked” “Crooked” “embarrassed herself and the country with her e-mail lies” “a DISASTER on foreign policy” “Crooked” “Crooked"
“negative ads are not true” “email lies” “fraudulent” “Crooked” “Having ZERO impact” “Sad!!” “Lyin'” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “not qualified” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “not qualified!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “WEAK leadership” “lies” “Lyin' Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “lied to the FBI and to the people of our country” “sooooo guilty”
“Crooked” “dishonest” “incompetent” “very bad judgement” “Crooked”
“Not fit!” “Crooked” “unfit to serve as President” “Her temperament is weak”
“BAD JUDGEMENT!” “Crooked” “As usual, bad judgment.” “A total disgrace!”
“Crooked” “guilty as hell” “Crooked” “will NEVER be able to handle the complexities and danger of ISIS” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“As Bernie Sanders said, Hillary Clinton has bad judgement. Bill's meeting was probably initiated and demanded by Hillary!” “sellng out America”
“Not capable!” “Presidency would be catastrophic” “ill-fit” "bad judgment”
“Lying” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “no sense of markets”
“such bad judgement” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “bad judgement”
“Disgraceful!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “All talk, no action!” “Crooked” “would be a disaster” “may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency”
“Crooked” “will be a disaster for jobs and the economy!” “defrauded America” "Corrupt” “dangerous” “dishonest” “judgement has killed thousands, unleashed ISIS and wrecked the economy” “failed policies” “bad judgment” “Crooked” “Crooked” “totally unfit to be our president” “really bad judgement and a temperament” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “will be a disaster” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“total fraud!” “Crooked” “record is so bad, unable to answer tough questions!” “unfit to be president” “bad judgement” “poor leadership skills”
“very bad and destructive track record” “Crooked” “Not honest!” “Bad performance” “Crooked” “Reading poorly from the telepromter!” “doesn't even look presidential!” “Crooked” “no longer has credibility” “too much failure in office” “Crooked” “Lyin'” “Crooked” “has made so many mistakes”
“Crooked” “BAD judgement!” “Crooked” “zero natural talent” “temperament is bad” “decision making ability-zilch!” “Crooked” “fraud” “very stupid use of e-mails” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “bad judgement and temperament”
“Crooked” “CROOKED” “Crooked” “Crooked” “suffers from plain old bad judgement!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “not qualified” “her judgement has been proven to be so bad!” “Would be four more years of stupidity!”
“Wrong!” “reckless and dangerous” “Crooked” “very dishonest” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “has no chance!" “zero imagination and even less stamina” “ISIS, China, Russia and all would love for her to be president” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “a fraud” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “Crooked” “can't close the deal with Bernie Sanders” “Crooked”
“Crooked” “Can't believe she would misrepresent the facts!” “Crooked” “Liar!” “Crooked” “can't close the deal on Crazy Bernie” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“has bad judgment!” “Crooked” “pushing the false narrative that I want to raise taxes” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked” “Crooked”
“corrupt” “ZERO leadership ability” “bad judgement” "Constantly playing the women's card - it is sad!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “said she is used to “dealing with men who get off the reservation.” Actually, she has done poorly with such men!” “Crooked” “Crooked” “perhaps the most dishonest person to have ever run for the presidency” “one of the all time great enablers!” “Crooked” “unqualified to be president” “incompetent” “has been involved in corruption for most of her professional life!” “Who should star in a reboot of Liar Liar- Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz? Let me know” “a major national security risk” “not presidential material” “such bad judgement” “lied last week” “doesn't have the strength or stamina to be president” “totally flawed candidate” “stupidity” “pathetic” “LIED at the debate last night” “SAD!” “We need a #POTUS with great strength & stamina. Hillary does not have that”
“lied” “disloyal person” “weak and ineffective” “no strength, no stamina” “does not have the STRENGTH or STAMINA to be President” “won't call out radical Islam” “will be soundly defeated” “afraid of Obama & the emails”
“SHE HAS NO STRENGTH OR STAMINA” “corruption is what she's best at”
“weak” “totally incompetent as a manager and leader” “no strength or stamina” “she looked lost” “her record is so bad” “the trade deal is a disaster, she was always for it!” “100% CONTROLLED” “Just can't read speeches!”

I was surprised that the threads went dead over Christmas and only reactivated yesterday, you can only answer when somone posts. I commented on the absence of lots of regular posters prior to yesterday though.

Nice attack again Claig. Notice I question you're arguments and not you?

Here is the left wing Guardian. Total nonsense as usual. Theresa May has to tell Trump the facts about Putin as if Trump is some child who needs to be lectured by Theresa May, as if America isn't the strongest, most switched on country in the world and little old UK has to put America straight.

This stuff could only be written by one of our best and brightest. It must be Oxbridge, you say. Well it is the Guardian, so I agree it must be Oxbridge, the elite like to employ Oxbridge. So I googled it. It's Matthew D'Ancona, Oxbridge and a Fellow to boot. He looks like a whizzkid, shme he writs nonsense, but there are lots of political class idiots who will lap this stuff up and ask for more.

Let's all tell Trump how to suck eggs. That is the Guardian at its finest. "intellectuals yet idiots", Oxbridge teams, they don't understand Trump at all

They all insulted Trump, they couldn't see it coming and they all cried for days after he won.

"It is now May’s task to tell Trump the truth about Putin"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/02/may-trump-truth-putin-russian-aggression

Claig you are elevating yourself somewhat.... as you told me earlier, don't take it so seriously. These threads aren't yours, you just happened to start them and Christmas family time came waaaaaay above arguing the toss with you!

Ah insulting Oxbridge one minute, using it as an authority the next.

Trump doesn't need to tell the truth about Putin, when it all comes out he'sll look really bad if he doesn't.

America isn't the most switched on country in the world btw.

'These threads aren't yours'

No, but most posters are not interested in discussing Trump which is why many who were here over Christmas had nothing to say on it. All many of them want to do is battle and score points. If I stopped posting for a month, they would contribute nothing to the threads because they aren't interesting in discussing Trump or the Guardian's take on it or anything like that, they just need someone to score points off and that is why they are all now back.