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Trump (Part 7)

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claig · 21/12/2016 00:37

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

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Lweji · 02/01/2017 10:31

Please, claig, how is talking of enemies refreshing and for the people?
It reeks of a 5 year old sticking his tongue out and going nah nah nah nah. I'm (almost) President and you're not.

Any comments on his Christmas nuclear arsenal tweets?

DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 10:38

Its hilarious that you still buy the elites thing, when his cabinet is full of lobbyists and people who have exploited their own elite connections.

But then its only elitist when its not Trump doing it, love the way you criticism people for being "oxbridge" when Trump is Ivy league etc.

Hypocritical. Like everything Trump does, and paradox too.

Ignorance is strength eh Claigster.

claig · 02/01/2017 10:58

'Please, claig, how is talking of enemies refreshing and for the people?'

It's a laugh, the people like to laugh, not listen to the patronising protocol of a member of the political class like Cameron. Trump is normal, he speaks in an ordinary way, not like a political automaton fed lines by some teenage whizzkid witha PhD in Spin. That is why Trump is so refreshing.

I didn't follow his Christmas nuclear tweets. Was that about they will increase the arsenal? It's typical Trump, you don't know if he means it or is just using it as a bargaining position. Either way, he won't use them.

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Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:01

Trump is normal

Are you saying that most people in the population speak and behave like him?
How many people do you know have tweeted wishing a good year to their enemies?
Unless you're hanging around a very strange crowd indeed.

claig · 02/01/2017 11:11

'Its hilarious that you still buy the elites thing, when his cabinet is full of lobbyists and people who have exploited their own elite connections. '

You have missed the point about elites and the people, which was what 2016 was all about and which even Oxbridge Robert Peston says is a bigger event than the fall of communism or Thatcher's privatisation. The people have beaten the elites.

Just being educated or rich or working for Goldman Sachs or being an Oxbridge PPE doesn't mean you work for the elites as opposed to the people. The people want intelligent people to work for them, that is why they voted Trump in, and Trump is Ivy League as well as being in a league of his own when you compare him to Cameron, Blair, Bush and Clinton, let alone Nick Clegg. Trump's choices for cabinet positions will work for the people no matter how rich and clever they are and that is great.

When the people who caused the revolution of 2016 that shook the Oxbridge teams who serve the elites speak of the elites, they speak of the ones described in this article

"Betraying Brexit: the revolt of the elites against the people"

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/betraying-brexit-revolt-elites-people/

Here is Oxbridge Robert Peston, finally seeing a bit of the light and getting things right

"Thought 2016 was turbulent? Trust me, the revolution is just beginning
...
It was the Great Rejection – 2016 was when people in Britain and America chucked out the traditional way of running their respective countries. This year we'll learn whether we have started a global revolt and whether we have made ourselves richer, poorer, safer or more vulnerable.

Fog will hang over the new political and economic landscape for a while yet. But we should be in no doubt that there has been an earthquake and we are living through changes to our lives and livelihoods more important even than the momentous transfer of economic power from the state to the private sector by Thatcher and Reagan in the 1980s, and the consequent collapse of communism.

Now in some ways the timing of the revolt against the Establishment was odd, because those on lower incomes in Britain and America – angry that their earnings had gone nowhere for years – voted to throw the old guard out the window just when their living standards were beginning to improve. But there was a prevailing sense that the way we've been running the global economy for 30 years will only ever enrich a plutocracy and no one else, and enough was enough.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4079270/Thought-2016-turbulent-Trust-revolution-just-beginning-true-cost-Brexit-backlash-France-new-cold-war-2017-set-far-bumpier-writes-ROBERT-PESTON.html

Of course, he still doesn't really understand what has happened, just like the rest of the Establishment commentators. He thinks it is about globalisation like the rest of the Establishment teams do, but I have explained in these threads what it was really all about.

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DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:12

"Its a laugh"

Oh right, the Milo Y excuse, its a laugh? Right so how come he gets so offended and makes such a fuss when he gets the piss taken out of him? Or is it only a laugh when he does it?

claig · 02/01/2017 11:13

'How many people do you know have tweeted wishing a good year to their enemies? '

That is why Trump is so unique. Cameron would never wish Farage a good year, but Trump is so far above that level that he takes the piss and has a laugh by wishing a good year to his enemies simultaneously taking the piss out of them and that is what the people like because it is a laugh.

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Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:15

Except that when you talk about working for the people, some people are more people than the others. Wink

claig · 02/01/2017 11:16

"Right so how come he gets so offended and makes such a fuss when he gets the piss taken out of him? Or is it only a laugh when he does it?"

He doesn't. That is why he went on all the Establishment TV comedians' shows, who all naturally supported Hillary as they are all Establishment, and that is why he went on SNL etc.

He tweets about them to put them in their place and gives Trump fans a laugh. He is not offended, he is way, way above that level. That is why he is known as The Donald.

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Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:17

Unique or normal?

Hot and cold?
Elite and people?
Honest and liar.
Serious and a joker.

You have some serious cognitive dissonance going there.

claig · 02/01/2017 11:19

'Except that when you talk about working for the people, some people are more people than the others.'

Not at all. It is all of us, all of the people against the elites and their servant class. Just being Oxbridge or Goldman Sachs etc doesn't make someone a part of the elites' servant class, they are all with the people, however rich and privileged, unless they sell their souls to the elites.

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DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:19

He does get offended, he called for the cancellation of SNL. He certainly doesn't put anyone in their place.

Basically what happens Trump ( and the alt right) say they like straight talking and saying it like it is and use this to make nasty attacks on others. They can't take it when its given back.

Do you know who hands it out and can't take it back? Bullies.

BTW "the people" voted overwhelmingly for Hillary, its funny that you are STILL using that phrase when he didn't win the popular vote.

Missswatch · 02/01/2017 11:34

Oh right, the Milo Y excuse, its a laugh? Right so how come he gets so offended and makes such a fuss when he gets the piss taken out of him? Or is it only a laugh when he does it?

He just got a £250,000 book deal. The libs are having a meltdown because of it

claig · 02/01/2017 11:34

'he called for the cancellation of SNL. He certainly doesn't put anyone in their place.'

That is putting them in their place, just as when he gathered all the big shots from the mainstream media into Trump Tower when they thought he was going to give them a biscuit and told them straight that they were "a room full of liars". He doesn't expect SNL to be cancelled, but he is putting them in their place. He is the President and they are Establishment comedians.

'Do you know who hands it out and can't take it back? Bullies.'

I never said that Trump wasn't a bully. Trump is the biggest, brashest, boldest, billionaire bully the world has ever seen and he is going to bully the elites and their servant class like they have never been bullied before. That is blindingly obvious and that is why they are in such utter panic and is why their media teams are desperately briefing against him with looks of utter terror written on their faces.

'BTW "the people" voted overwhelmingly for Hillary, its funny that you are STILL using that phrase when he didn't win the popular vote.'

Lots of the people voted for the elites, just like lots of people voted with Cameron, the Bank of England, the EU, the IMF, the CBI and the 172 over Brexit, but the whole world's media and all the elite's servants rightly say that Brexit and Trump was a victory of the people over the elites.

Here is Oxbridge Robert Peston, Establishment favourite, finally getting it right

"There has been a more effective revolt against the Establishment, against those now sneeringly denigrated as the liberal elite, than anything we've witnessed since the 1920s and 1930s."

Just because not all of teh people were with us and some voted for the elites, doesn't mean that we the people didn't trounce the elites in the year of 2016. And the dread with which the elites await what will unfold in 2017 can only be likened to villagers awaiting the arrival of a monster in a monster movie. The people have awoken, the sleeping giant of the people has arisen and is stomping about and the elites are running faster than the villagers in a monster movie.

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DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:39

"we the people didn't trounce the elites in the year of 2016"

No you think you trounced the elites, what you actually did was vote for the uber elite, the ones who don't want to pay their taxes, think that the poor are to blame for being poor, who are going to bring much more misery to the "people"

The use of the term "elite" is politically divisive, it makes it sound like some sort of revolution, it isn't. In a revolution the establishment don't end up still in power.

This is more like Orwell's boot stamping on a human face forever whilst the people are thankful for it because its " a revolution".

DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:40

BTW Milo has claimed to have had book deals before, they didn't lead anywhere.

lljkk · 02/01/2017 11:41

Because remember what Farage said about Brexit victory, a victory for "decent" people. The people who voted to Remain are indecent. The people who voted against Trump are indecent (? immoral). It's simple, really, the Trump opponents aren't human at all. (hth)

Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:41

Just being Oxbridge or Goldman Sachs etc doesn't make someone a part of the elites' servant class, they are all with the people, however rich and privileged

Who's they here? Goldman Sachs and Oxbridge?
Even the big business men who haven't given a crap about their own workers or the populations they work with all their lives?

See how Exxon worked for the people in Chad and against US interests:

Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:43

Not opponents. Enemies. Keep up. Wink

Missswatch · 02/01/2017 11:44

Lauren Duca gets Tucked by Tucker Carlson over Ivanka Trump being harassed

Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:44

Sorry, when I wrote "for the people in Chad" I was being sarcastic. Just to be clear.

Lweji · 02/01/2017 11:46

'he called for the cancellation of SNL. He certainly doesn't put anyone in their place.'

That is putting them in their place

That is actually calling for censorship.

He (you) either want and value free speech, or you don't.

Cognitive dissonance.

DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:48

Like I said: "telling it like it is" is only OK if it is going one way.

claig · 02/01/2017 11:49

"The use of the term "elite" is politically divisive, it makes it sound like some sort of revolution, it isn't. In a revolution the establishment don't end up still in power."

Of course it is a revolution. Even the Guardian admits as much. Ths is Richard Wolffe, Oxford, in the Guardian saying so

"Donald Trump's victory is nothing short of a revolution"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-victory-us-election-result-revolution

The elite are not in power anymore. Trump deposed them. Have you not seen the tears, the triggering, the panic, the look on Blair's face and the blood-drained faces of the Oxbridge teams on BBC News when Trump's victory was announced?

The entire political class insulted Trump before he won and now they are stunned and are working out the best way to be obsequious to him and the people.

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DarthPlagueis · 02/01/2017 11:52

I don't need a guardian jounralist to tel me that I'm wrong Claig.

Trump is the elite, he's an inherited millionaire who has used political donations to get what he wants, used the courts to get what donations can't get him.

The elite he is actually part of is the very thing that he claims to hate so much.You can repeat it over and over again ( much like Trump does with his lies) but Trump and his cabinet are the elite.

Again the Oxbridge insult when Trump is Ivy league is funny and nonsensical, much like most of your arguments.

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