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Trump (Part 2)

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claig · 25/11/2016 16:26

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

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claig · 28/11/2016 23:46

'why are you still writing about Trump as though he is some sort of plucky underdog? '

Of course he is an underdog. Where have you been? The pollsters and news companies who Trump referred to as " a room full of liars" gave Hillary a 92% chance of winning. Even after Trump won, the BBC still tries to smear Trump as being linked to "white supremacism" etc and never shows Trump's black and Latino supporters. They are still all against Trump because he is against the world's global financial elite and their plans for war using America to do their work for them.

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claig · 28/11/2016 23:49

'Except for destroying Isis etc within 6 months '

Don't you want Isis destroyed, or do you prefer Cameron's strategy of "Assad must go" by fighting Assad and enabling the Jihadis in Syria, which will only strengthen isis who oppose Assad?

Trump will get rid of Isis in weeks. There will be "campaigns ending badly".

"we can't beat Isis. Give me a break"

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Southallgirl · 28/11/2016 23:52

"we can't beat Isis. Give me a break"

They could have been demolished last year, except USA and UK was fighting Assad. Assad can be dealt with later, the important thing is not to leave Syria in a vacuum because who do you think will move in and claim dominion?

The same boyos who moved into Iraq and Libya.

claig · 28/11/2016 23:57

Dr Ben Carson "We are at the precipice"

The top people know what is at stake

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Southallgirl · 29/11/2016 00:03

Everyone - This is far bigger than your not liking the President-Elect. This is about curtailing the passive-aggressive, territory-gobbling EU who wants more and more land - right up to the door of Russia. It operates under the pretext of being a trading group with same currency, same laws.

Ukraine would be their jewel in the crown.

Next, if EU continues on plan, it will continue to destroy America from within to weaken it so that at some time, far in the future after we are gone, it will make a bid for it as well.

claig · 29/11/2016 00:12

"Euro 'house of cards' to collapse, warns ECB prophet "

The European Central Bank is becoming dangerously over-extended and the whole euro project is unworkable in its current form, the founding architect of the monetary union has warned.

"One day, the house of cards will collapse,”

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/16/euro-house-of-cards-to-collapse-warns-ecb-prophet/

It is very serious.

"Vladimir Putin tells the US ‘If you want a war, you will get one – EVERYWHERE’

RUSSIA has laid down an ultimatum to the US – telling them if they want a war, they will have one."

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/554052/World-War-3-Russia-US-Vladimir-Putin-Syria-WW3-Iron-Curtain

That is all over if Trump gets in. Trump doesn't want war, he is a businessman, not a banker or politician. He builds things, he wants to bring jobs back, not war.

But some analysts say we are still not out of teh woods, because teh elites may want a war before Trump gets in, that is if he gets in, because they are doing their utmost to oppose him even now.

If Trump gets in, things won't be easy. He warned on twitter the other day, after the Thanksgiving Holiday. He uses twitter to communicate with the people, bypassing what he calls the "liars", the media.

"Hope everyone enjoyed their Thanksgiving. But get ready, our country is in big trouble!"

If anyone can fix it and prevent war, it is Trump, if he gets in, of course, because the elites have not given up.

It will be America First to be saved, and rightly so, but he will also save the world from war.

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Lweji · 29/11/2016 00:16

"Trump says no more wars"
Except for destroying Isis etc within 6 months confused. Because no overly-optimistic, poorly planned military offensive has ever ended badly, has it?

Keep up.
Trump will attack ISIS by stealth with no warning.
Weeks!
I'm already planning the US bear ISIS party for the end of February.

SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 00:20

"If Trump gets in, things won't be easy. He warned on twitter the other day, after the Thanksgiving Holiday. He uses twitter to communicate with the people, bypassing what he calls the "liars", the media."

Do you just c&p your posts, claig from other sources?

claig · 29/11/2016 00:21

8 hours ago on the Guardian

"Will Italy’s failing banks trigger financial collapse across Europe? "

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/italy-failing-banks-new-japan

10 hours ago on International Business Journal

"8 Italian banks could collapse if the prime minister's reforms are rejected"

uk.businessinsider.com/italy-banks-collapse-renzi-referendum-2016-11?r=US&IR=T

While the world is falling apart, while warmongers want world war, they are fooling you on the BBC shouting "white supremacism" and "fascist" about Trump, the only person who can talk to Putin and bring peace and sort out the bankers and "very, very stupid people" as Trump calls them, who brought all us hardworking people into this calamity.

They are tricking you by using "divide and rule" over race, and race baiting and our finest Oxbridge graduates at the Guardian are blaming white people and calling Trump's victory a "whitelash" when he is the only person who can end the "very, very stupid" policies of the "very, very stupid people" who have brought us to what Dr Ben Carson calls the "precipice" of financial collapse and world war combined.

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claig · 29/11/2016 00:22

'Do you just c&p your posts, claig from other sources?'

No, they are all original

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SwedishEdith · 29/11/2016 00:27

"He uses twitter to communicate with the people"

That sentence is really odd, like the Sun explaining social media to 80 year olds.

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 00:29

Southall, rape is rape and it is a horrific crime no matter who the perpetrators are.
I was horrified by the attacks in Cologne and similar attacks, and disgusted by any attempt to push women under the bus in favour of race relations, but those migrants didn't invent rape.
The statistics both for prevalence and prosecution rates in the west are shocking, and we need genuine political pressure to protect women and children in this country and across Europe, America and the world. It is aproblem that is till not taken seriously enough.

However, don't you think it's funny that those far right websites you love to link to make so much noise when the perpetrators are Muslim and the victims are white, but are utterly silent when the rapists are white? In that context "Get off our girls" isn't about protection, it's about possession.
Deep down you know it.

Lweji · 29/11/2016 00:30

Having said that, Trump may be right. By the time he gets there, ISIS will probably be much weaker than a few months ago.
But, not thanks to Trump either.

claig · 29/11/2016 00:35

'That sentence is really odd, like the Sun explaining social media to 80 year olds.'

Because I haven't got all the time in the world to write lengthy explanations. I mean "instead of interviews with what Trump calls the "lying" media, whom he does not trust, because they all pretend he is a "white supremacist". he communicates directly with the people through twitter and bypasses the media teams of liars and spinners".

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Spinflight · 29/11/2016 00:37

I mentioned previously about Trump repatriating dollars.

Well it seems that US companies have about $2.5 trillion which they hide overseas to evade domestic tax.

An awful lot of this is in the EU. The EU itself is trying to tax raid Apple's $180 billion as a test case though you'll note that one of Trump's policies was a 10% tax amnesty to repatriate dollars.

Thing is if, say Apple, pays this tax in Europe then it is a deductible in the US.

So these US companies such as microsoft ($108B), Ffizer( $200B) and General Electric ($100B) have the choice of staying put and waiting for the EU's tax collectors to take them to court, or taking a 10% hit to repatriate the cash.

Which is a no brainer.

Of course though these company profits are basically sitting in corporate bank accounts, and on that basis are used as collateral for the banks to give out loans. The total corporate deposits in the EU is only just over 2 Trillion Euros so even if just the big companies I've mentioned withdrew their money it represents a pretty decent percentage, maybe even as high at 25%.

With the Euro area banks struggling to rebuild their capital ratios this could spell disaster, almost overnight.

Of course the American banks have been trying to rebuild theirs too and under the recent stress tests Citibank and Morgan Chase were found to be decidedly weak.

Hence for Trump repatriating those dollars, which are otherwise going to fall into the EU's coffers, makes sense on every level. More dollars in the US system means higher inflation and stronger banks which can lend more.

claig · 29/11/2016 00:40

Thank God we are out of the EU, but not quite out yet. If the Euro does collapse, are we liable in any way to help bail EU countries out or are we safely out of it?

I guess our links with Ireland drag us into that anyway?

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squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 00:48

And yes, Trumps language absolutely does matter.

When someone tells you that clearly and that repeatedly what they are really like, you'd be a raving lunatic not to listen.

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 00:50

Are you looking forward to the EU's collapse, Claig?
Bit mean.

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 00:52

"This is about curtailing the passive-aggressive, territory-gobbling EU who wants more and more land - right up to the door of Russia. It operates under the pretext of being a trading group with same currency, same laws.

Ukraine would be their jewel in the crown.

Next, if EU continues on plan, it will continue to destroy America from within to weaken it so that at some time, far in the future after we are gone, it will make a bid for it as well."

Bit of a shame we gave up our Veto then, isn't it?

Spinflight · 29/11/2016 00:56

I think we just about managed to stay clear of any liability for bailouts.

Ireland was an exception and we contributed willingly rather than because we had to. If there is a mechanism by which we are liable then I don't know of it, though also if there is May could get out of it merely by repealing the 1972 act rather than going through article 50.

Also though the EU supposedly banned bailouts. Banks have to seek private sector funding and their investors take a haircut. This however would pretty much mean them losing all their money.

Ireland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg would be initially hardest hit, though there would be a tsunami of effects on other countries and their banks.

"When someone tells you that clearly and that repeatedly what they are really like by race baiting and throwing personal insults, you'd be a raving lunatic to listen."

^^ Fixed.

claig · 29/11/2016 00:59

'Are you looking forward to the EU's collapse, Claig?
Bit mean.'

That's OK, it is just another snide comment.

No, I am not. I have got relatives living in EU countries and it will be a disaster for millions of people and probably for us too as we are so closely linked to the EU economy and it will probably lead to war as the elites panic and scramble to find a way out and put the blame on war and not themselves, that is after they strip us of our freedoms most probably so we can't complain about what they did to us.

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Spinflight · 29/11/2016 01:01

"Are you looking forward to the EU's collapse, Claig?
Bit mean."

I've been stocking up on popcorn.

claig · 29/11/2016 01:03

'I've been stocking up on popcorn.' Grin Grin

Brilliant!

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squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 01:08

Glad to hear it, Claig. It wasn't meant as a snide comment. It is hard to tell from the tone of your posts sometimes as you come across as reveling in EU problems sometimes.
I too am worried for the sake of the European people and for the sake of the British economy which will suffer too - in or out of the EU. I would also feel some guilt on behalf of Britain (even though I voted remain) if the repurcussions of Brexit helped to hasten an EU collapse. It is always the poorest who suffer most - not your "elites" or your "hero's" like Trump.

Unlike you, I do not revel in the instability Trump will cause to the global economy. "The Elite's" will most likely be fine, it is the people who will suffer, whatever you choose to believe.

squishysquirmy · 29/11/2016 01:10

Spin: "When someone tells you that clearly and that repeatedly what they are really like by race baiting and throwing personal insults, you'd be a raving lunatic to listen."

^ Fixed

Was that directed at me? Care to provide any examples of race baiting or personal insults against other's on this thread? (I didn't call Claig mean, by the way. I implied that looking forward to the EU collapse would be a mean spirited attitude).