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Trump (Part 2)

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claig · 25/11/2016 16:26

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

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Kaija · 26/11/2016 23:42

The alt-right and their ilk are the embodiment of every 8 year old bully who says "It's Opposite Day" when overhead and challenged by a grown-up.

Chris1234567890 · 26/11/2016 23:42

www.rt.com/usa/368205-yemen-us-military-wikileaks/

Assange is fine. Wikileaks is fine and working well.

claig · 26/11/2016 23:49

'Those hilarious Daily Mail readers'

You have got to understand the humour of the Daily Mail reader, Middle England.

The Daily Mail understands its audience, Middle England, so occasionally, it likes to liven things up by publishing an article that the Minsitry of Truth awards the Mail paper of the year for e.g. one of the Minsitry of Truth's pet projects and subjects on climate change etc.

So the Mail, to keep the Ministry sweet, writes an article on "the plight of the polar bear and how we are all doomed unless we listen to Gordon Brown who said we have only 50 days left to save the planet"

The Ministry buys its copy of the Daily Mail, sees this front page article, breathes a sigh of relief that the Mail is not tearing into Cameron again, phones the Editor of the Mail up and thanks him for spreading the climate change message to Middle England, little realising that the Mail reader doesn't believe a word of it, and is having a right laugh tearing it up in the comments section, which the Minsitry never read because they are metropolitan elite and out of touch.

It is a win-win for the Mail, they are in the Ministry's good books and Mail readers are having a riot in the comments section tearing into the story which no one believes.

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Kaija · 26/11/2016 23:53

Claig's right. They've been doing it for years. Really hilarious.

Trump (Part 2)
claig · 26/11/2016 23:59

And what is amazing is how important the Daily Mail is now becoming in America.

Lew Rockwell, the famous liberatrian, head of the economic Mises institute, said in an interview on a US talkshow that the Daily Mail is his favourite paper, and the reason is it does publish stories that no other paper will touch e.g. it ran loads of stories about Danney Williams, who says he is Bill Clinton's black son (as to be fair so did the Daily Mirror, but Americans tend to read the Mail more than the Mirror).

If the Mail play their cards right, I can see Donald J Trump having a copy delivered to the White House every morning and thanking the "esteemed journalist" Katie Hopkins for her common sense articles, and possibly see The Donald joining in with some explosive rants in the Daily Mail comments section under the name The Donald at the White House.

That is how influential the Mail now is.

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Kaija · 27/11/2016 00:07

As you are such a fan, why do you think the Mail buried the Thomas Mair verdict on page 30 this week when all the other newspapers regarded it as front page news?

Chris1234567890 · 27/11/2016 00:14

"no fluff" Trump! Straight to the heart of the issue and refreshing indeed.

claig · 27/11/2016 00:15

'As you are such a fan, why do you think the Mail buried the Thomas Mair verdict on page 30 this week when all the other newspapers regarded it as front page news?'

I don't know. I haven't read the Mail for months, I have been too busy following Trump, on Fox etc, so I don't know what they have been reporting about anything.

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Chris1234567890 · 27/11/2016 00:17

"And what is amazing is how important the Daily Mail is now becoming in America."

Ill agree with that Claig. US comments are close to exceeding UK ones, even on uk domestic pieces. They are entertaining though Grin (comments that is)

claig · 27/11/2016 00:24

Chris1234567890, it is very good news for peace in the world. KT McFarland is excellent and she has been appointed Deputy National Security Adviser, under the brilliant General Mike Flynn.

What we don't yet know is how much power Trump will have to do his own thing and if the Establishment, the bankers and the elites will get to him, because they are for hostility to Russia. But I think Trump will outsmart the lot of them.

This is how much the world has changed. Puppets have been knocked off their perches.

"Hungary's Viktor Orban finds ally with 'black sheep' Donald Trump

Years of frosty relations between the United States and Hungary could be at an end. US President-elect Donald Trump spoke highly of Viktor Orban, one of his biggest fans in Europe, despite a shakey record on democracy.
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"Donald Trump has made it clear that he regards Hungary highly.

"He invited me to Washington, I told him that I hadn't been there for a long time as I had been treated as a 'black sheep,' to which he replied, laughing: 'Me too.'"

www.dw.com/en/hungarys-viktor-orban-finds-ally-with-black-sheep-donald-trump/a-36520316

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SwedishEdith · 27/11/2016 00:25

"I don't know. I haven't read the Mail for months,"

How convenient.

claig · 27/11/2016 00:29

'll agree with that Claig. US comments are close to exceeding UK ones, even on uk domestic pieces.'

Yes, it is amazing. I think, but I am not sure, it is partly due to the fact that the US does not have many national papers for the entire United States, and that is where the Mail can step in if it plays its cards right, which is great for us in Britain, because it increases our link with the States.

Trump likes Katie Hopkins very much and that is great for all of us.

Trump also likes Piers Morgan a lot, and he writes for the Mail, but I don't like Piers.

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claig · 27/11/2016 00:32

SwedishEdith, I don't know what goes on at the Mail, you will have to ask them why they put articles where they do. I only read it, but not for many months now, as the whole world has been more interested in Donald Trump than what Hillary Benn, the 172 and Owen Banter have been pontificating about in the Commons.

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Spinflight · 27/11/2016 00:36

Anyone else find the homages to the ex Cuban dictator interesting, if appalling?

Fitting maybe that he died in the year of the revolution, one wonders whether he approved.

Still it seems to have given the hard core authoritarian left an outlet for their pent up grief.

This is of course the old fashioned left, the communists and socialists who wouldn't recognise the current rabble as comrades.

When did the supposed left become mere mouthpieces for big business? When did their agenda turn from needs of the common man to merely the sensibilities of the Islington and New York socialites?

At some point the self reinforcing echo chamber of virtue signalling became so loud that which toilet a transgender person uses became a more important topic than the livelihood of the common men whose interests they foolishly thought they represented.

I can't see the mainstream media lasting much longer in the states without massive reform and change of personel. Even the tearful snowflakes will eventually bore of op ed pieces denouncing the new administration or promoting conspiracy theories as to how he won in the first place.

With every day they merely confirm Trump's accusations of bias. Both he and Hillary attended a fund raiser for the church after the second debate and Trump said how nice it was to meet the people behind her trying to get her elected. And there they are in the audience, he said, CNN, the NY times, Washington post....

The question is does the supposed left have anything left? If they continue to brand anyone and anything that seeks to roll back immigration as 'right wing' (rather amusingly even old style socialists such as Le Pen) then can the left ever be unified?

By vilification they have precluded any such notion from sullying their oh so superior agenda.

Rather than building something they are left merely trying to destabilise democracy, whether here with brexit or through endless blubbering and half witted protests across the pond.

So what does the supposed left actually stand for? You might think climate change provides an outlet though tellingly in Marakesh as the results of Trump's victory filtered through the delegates stopped talking about co2 limits and simply went home. Almost as though they knew the game was up.

The term left of course hails from the seating arrangements in the French court where those supporting the King sat to his right and those seeking change to his left.

Rather ironically I suspect the new left will be seeking to roll back the infringements on personal liberty installed by the current supposed left. Whether that be the power of corporations which left unchecked resulted in porous borders for cheap labour and trade agreements negotiated by corporate lawyers in secret. Or the vast spying networks trained to snoop on every aspect of our lives. Maybe with an added sensible and pragmatic view towards the environment, rather than rabid fear mongering where dissenters are labelled, it might be enough to win power.

And depending upon how Trump actually performs I might even argue that it already has.

Kaija · 27/11/2016 00:36

You are unaware of how your favourite newspaper has reported the verdict on the terrorist murder of an MP this week, but are thrilled about how the paper is going down in the states.

That's pretty disgusting.

claig · 27/11/2016 00:38

'That's pretty disgusting.'

I haven't read it for months. I have heard top US thinkers on US talkshows say it is their favourite paper. That's not disgusting, but your comment is.

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Kaija · 27/11/2016 00:40

Well if you don't know what's in it don't you think you should educate yourself on what it is actually saying before you go spraying your praise for it all over the Internet?

claig · 27/11/2016 00:40

'When did the supposed left become mere mouthpieces for big business? When did their agenda turn from needs of the common man to merely the sensibilities of the Islington and New York socialites? '

New Labour in England, and what I only discovered recently from an American professor is that Blair and the gang copied New Labour from the New Demcorats which were under Bill Clinton etc

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claig · 27/11/2016 00:42

'Well if you don't know what's in it don't you think you should educate yourself on what it is actually saying before you go spraying your praise for it all over the Internet?'

I don't read it everyday and not for months now, but it is my favourite paper, just as it is Lew Rockwell's favourite paper, because it is the paper with the most common sense.

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SwedishEdith · 27/11/2016 00:43

" I don't know what goes on at the Mail."

Clearly, neither do you (well, you do, obviously) but you're happy to advocate it as moral guardian of The Truth.

Kaija · 27/11/2016 00:44

Claig:
"The Daily Mail understands its audience, Middle England, so occasionally, it likes to liven things up by publishing an article that the Minsitry of Truth awards the Mail paper of the year for e.g. one of the Minsitry of Truth's pet projects and subjects on climate change etc."

Also Claig:
"SwedishEdith, I don't know what goes on at the Mail, you will have to ask them why they put articles where they do. I only read it, but not for many months now,"

Spinflight · 27/11/2016 00:46

Does claig really have to answer for every perceived injustice dredged up by trolls with little to say?

Chris1234567890 · 27/11/2016 00:46

"Anyone else find the homages to the ex Cuban dictator interesting, if appalling? "

Yep, but thankfully we can rely on Trump to say it as it is. Obamas going for history re-write again.

Kaija · 27/11/2016 00:47

No, Spinflight. Just for himself.

claig · 27/11/2016 00:49

'So what does the supposed left actually stand for? '

The stand for the elite. The elite use the left to implement their agenda. But Corbyn is a rebellion against it which is why Blair and the 172 want Corbyn out.

Corbyn is good on lots of issues because he opposes the elite on them, but some of his policies are aligned with theirs and he lacks the crucial quality of common sense, but he is the start of the regeneration of the left.

John Mann should be Labour leader, then they would stand a chance of winning, but he has too much common sense and that is the quality the elite don't like.

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