Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

Hans Christian Andersen could never have written a story like Trump's victory over the elites, but he got very, very close with the "very, very stupid" emperor who had no clothes.

All the people knew it but they were too scared to say it, that all the elites, all their teams, all their teenage whizzkids were "very, very stupid", until Donald J Trump stood up and said how "very, very stupid" the whole shower was and their entire house of cards collapsed overnight as the people breathed a sigh of relief that someone had finally told the truth and ended the spin, lies and hand gestures..

Trump, the Big Bad Wolf, blew the elite piggies' house down and the people haven't stopped laughing, the "paper tigers" are no more, the scarecrows can no longer scare the people with their spin and their "Punishment Budgets".

Revenge of the Deplorables. The emperor had no clothes and the whizzkids had no sense.

"Revenge of the Deplorables

Wow. In a shock to the world, Donald Trump has upset expectations and become the next president of the United States.
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If there is anything positive to take from Trump’s victory, it is that he has exposed the chasm between the people and the elites. His win highlights the utter complacency of the elites, the media and the pollsters.

What’s crystal clear now is that the supposedly mighty US and Western establishments are paper tigers. They have become lazy and arrogant, and they are out of touch with the mass of people; they have lost all sense of purpose. Our political elites can’t even convince people that they have more to offer than a buffoon and two-bit conman with back-of-the-envelope policies.

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/revenge-of-the-deplorables-donald-trump-president/18955#.WDoLYFxgRzI

"Our political elites can’t even convince people that they have more to offer than a buffoon and two-bit conman with back-of-the-envelope policies."

And that is not a reference to John McDonnell and his Little Red Book, but it might just as well be, because our elite are as useless as all the other elites, which is why they only have Tony Blair left to help them.

And Owen Banter, he was their last great hope.

Claig, have you actually read any Hans Christian Anderson?

'Claig, have you actually read any Hans Christian Anderson?'

No, I was too busy reading "The Art of the Deal" and "The Art of the Comeback" by Donald J Trump, 45th President of the United States, who caused the biggest upset in the US's 240 year history and confounded every bigwig, whizzkid and pundit on earth.

'Claig, have you actually read any Hans Christian Anderson?'

The reason I answered no to that question, because I have read Hans Christian Andersen.

I don't know who Hans Christian Anderson is, but he sounds like some Goldman Sachs bigshot straight outta Compton on secondment at the Ministry of Truth, and I don't like reading spin.

fourmummy: If you want to talk about philosophy, do you think it is possible for a person to be both a hero and a villain? Is it possible for a person to do great, groundbreaking or brave things, and also be deeply unpleasant and even criminal in other parts of their life? I would argue that it's not only true, but that there is historical precedent. If you have respect for the work someone may have done in exposing corruption, for example, are you still able to accept that it is possible they are guilty of horrible crimes? And if so, do you think anyone should be above the law? Even at the expense of a victim's justice?

Unless Hans Christian Anderson is a PPE at the Guardian who specialises in environmentalism, in which case the same applies, I don't like reading spin

Hans Christian Anderson was what I read when I was little. What did you read when you were little Claig?

Oh sorry, it was a typo. Neither Anderson nor Andersen wrote the three little pigs.
And Trump didn't write "The Art of the Deal" either. Tony Schwartz did.
Not that those were the least accurate statements in your posts by a long shot.

'And Trump didn't write "The Art of the Deal" either. Tony Schwartz did.'

Careful. It may be worth asking to have that deleted because there is nothing Trump likes better than a lawsuit. He is a bit busy at the moment, sorting out all the elites and all their teams and the entire "corrupt global establishment" of which "Hillary Clinton is a vessel", but he will probably sort all that out a week after taking office, and after that he will be back to his passion for lawsuits.

Claig, does it ever get tiring being not only the voice of the people (all of them, natch) but also the voice of Orwell, Victor Hugo, Hans Christian Andersen, and most likely Che Guevara, Emmeline Pankhurst, the 1988 Jamaican Olympic bobsled team and Seabiscuit.

' does it ever get tiring'

No, someone has to tell it like it is. If the cap fits, swear it

Oh, if I was to have anything on here deleted for fear of a Trump lawsuit it would not be that post.
"his passion for lawsuits" We all know he loves a good lawsuit - it's a great way for an elitist billionaire bully to use his money, power and expensive lawyers to get his own way. Even so, he's had quite a lot leveled against him, hasn't he? And even his money and lawyers hasn't been enough to avoid having to settle a fair amount of them.

Not that Trump is a mumsnetter. We'd spot him a mile off, he'd be all over AIBU like an obnoxious rash.

'And even his money and lawyers hasn't been enough to avoid having to settle a fair amount of them.'

That is "The Art of the Deal". He wrote the book on it and now he intends to deal with the elite, split their pack and shuffle their deck, and they will be the oes twisting.

"What did you read when you were little Claig?"

Ayn Rand for Dummies?

Great piece here by Hugo Rifkind drawing a link between pick-up artists and the Alt-right.

"There are glimpses of a similar double-think in much of the alt-right; from the Breit-bart headlines that might be satire and might not, to the posturing of Milo Yiannopoulos, who sometimes seems to be flirting with the far right as outrageous performance art, sometimes seems to mean it, and sometimes seems like he simply hasn’t decided. As though the point isn’t quite what anybody actually says, but the effect their saying it has on everybody else.

Plenty of people seem to believe that Trump does this, too. That whenever he says his latest arresting, infuriating, insane thing, he’s also playing a trick, trying to wind people up. Personally, I don’t buy it. More to the point, though, I’m not sure it makes any difference. Likewise those sieg heils in those Washington restaurants. For show? For real? In the end, the question is meaningless. This is what they give us, so this is who they are. The trick is all there is. The carapace is sealed. Everything beneath has rotted away."

www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/trump-the-pick-up-artist-who-seduced-america/

Oh, no - warning - Daily Heil link Look, even the DM are reporting on the Macedonian fake news boys.

claig - I thought we could rely on the DM for The Truth?

'"What did you read when you were little Claig?"

Ayn Rand for Dummies?'

How dare you! I didn't read any "Dummies" book, I went straight to the source, Sophocles in Greek, Cicero in Latin, Diderot in French and the "Art of the Deal" in Manhattan.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Claig has shiny eyes and a tambourine?

"I thought we could rely on the DM for The Truth?"

This is the headline

"Revealed: The 16-year-old from Macedonia who is just one of the faces behind the spread of fake news"

It is classic comedy. "16 year old", "faces"

The Daily Mail is a great subversive paper that likes to have a laugh. It knows that the Ministry of Truth is watching so it dishes up a story that Big Brother likes, but then subtly takes the piss, and of course all the readers get it which is why the comments section is such a riot

One comment in the Daily Mail sums it up

"Anyone who trusts the content on an unknown website is an idiot. I don't even believe half the stories I read here."

I was talking little, as in age 7 or so :)

OhYouBadBadKitten, are you Kaija?

"The Daily Mail is a great subversive paper that likes to have a laugh. It knows that the Ministry of Truth is watching so it dishes up a story that Big Brother likes, but then subtly takes the piss, and of course all the readers get it which is why the comments section is such a riot"

Cf the Hugo Rifkind article posted above on the alt-right's flipping between irony and sincerity.

"of course all the readers get it which is why the comments section is such a riot"

Ah, phew, I had a feeling they would. Those hilarious Daily Mail readers, eh.