Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

[claig]

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

"Donald Trump's victory is nothing short of a revolution

We may as well call this what it is: a revolution.

Because nothing else comes close to capturing the political revolt – and the chaos that surely follows – from Donald Trump’s stunning victory in 2016.

We were all wrong. So badly wrong. The polls, the pundits, the press. The elites, the allies, the business leaders. Trump’s victory makes the upset of Brexit look like a quaint tiff over a round of golf."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-victory-us-election-result-revolution

What on earth can they do to stop the people now?

They will have to put Owen Jones on the BBC non-stop, all their Oxbridge teams will have to be rolled out, PPEs will have to be mobilised, Sir Blob Dandruff, Eddie Pissard, the Labour 172, the great and the bad looking suitably sad as they lecture us morning, noon and night saying we didn't do right.

They lost, we won.

'We may as well call this what it is: a revolution.'

Not sure I'm convincing myself

You are right in your observations. The postmodernism that has defined the past 30 years would have died out long ago were it not for the fanning of its embers by globalist-agenda politicking corruption. The corruption kept it going artificially because relativism (=communism by another name) is completely unworkable (because of its 'sample size of one without an ability to choose which one is right' thing). Hence - revolution. At other times, the revolution would have been bloody but because we have democracy, people waited patiently for years, using nothing more than argument (Claig) while they waited, for the right to have their say at the ballot box. Note the dignity and patience of the Trump voters compared to the vitriolic, car-burning violence in the DM pictures of the people now rioting. This is why the pollsters were not able to predict the outcome. This thing is enormous and will be observed elsewhere in the Western world.

"Note the dignity and patience of the Trump voters compared to the vitriolic, car-burning violence in the DM pictures of the people now rioting. This is why the pollsters were not able to predict the outcome. This thing is enormous and will be observed elsewhere in the Western world."

Absolutely right and the more vitriol the elite media and the protestors pour on Trump voters, the more people will join in support for Trump.

The entire eleite power structure is collapsing before our eyes. They are trying to resuscitate it and trying to challenge Trump, but the crooks at the top will be going to jail.

They lost we won. Yes I must say I notice that all the time. Post brexit vote for example Sunderland is thriving, no poverty, no unemployment, no food banks, the people's lives are so much better. Oh hang on.
What does winning mean? Does it mean winning a vote or you know 'the peoples' lives actually improving.
So farage, Boris still incredibly wealthy, the people in Sunderland not so much. Why should what has happened in America be any different.
I am sure you will tell me that when brexit happens the people lives will be transformed. Just let me know when it happens.

birdsdestiny, it is the first step. It has only started. All their spin teams are crying in their newspapers that it is a revolution because it is true. But it has only just started. Rome wasn't built overnight and it will take time to put the crooked wrongs right.

The irony of the electoral college system helping Trump when all the predictions were that it would ensure a convincing Clinton victory

I think all the protests about the popular vote are nonsense. If the voting system were different then people would make different decisions on how they use their vote. None of my US friends were pro either candidate. However the one in Texas could vote anti-Trump with impunity and the one in Illinois voted anti-Clinton. If their votes counted referendum style they would have had different decision points. I think this is one of the reasons the UK media / pollsters / pundits misread Brexit and the Scottish referendum.

A lot of truth in what you say fourmummy. I wonder if there will be more impetus for campaign finance reform now since no amount of money behind Clinton seemed to help her anyway? There were a lot of murmurings about how negatively perceived her Wall Street and Middle East funding last night. Definitely undermined the credibility of her economic and foreign policy stances especially as she is supposedly a Democrat.

It's about direction birds, if you don't like the direction your country is going in then you have the ability to change it.

It doesn't mean there are quick fixes but at least things will stop getting worse and eventually improve.

Saying that people are rather fond of associating themselves with the bottom rung of the ladder. Who wouldn't be envious of millionaires whose family are guaranteed influence and power through their name and wealth for generations? Happily through our history and institutions in a worldwide context the bottom rung of the ladder is several stories beneath us. A matter of perspective I suppose but one reinforced by the lengths people will take to get here.

You are right that is is enormous fourmummy, and a trend that I see increasing. Courage is infectious and the people increasingly have access to the information they need. Politicians lies often took advantage of our memories, economic data would have required days at a library or somesuch only fairly recently.

It's pretty clear that people lied to the exit polls and the democrats lied to themselves whilst rigging them. It rather amuses me that one of their key questions regarded the temperament of the candidates. I might look for temperament if I was buying a dog, not quite so much in a political leader. If the government lies to us then why not lie back? If they are cheeky enough to try to reduce me to a category then they might find out I'm an Algerian transexual who practises Buddhism.

claig what does "he is going to smash them" mean exactly?

(Particularly as you are so keen to emphasise the grace and decorum of a group of people whose human rights are not currently feeling under threat. If I was black, gay, latino, a woman of reproductive age in the US I may well be feeling threatened enough to riot. He's hardly practised tolerance and inclusivity during his campaign, has he? I don't recall Hillary stating how she'd love to "punch in the face" someone who vocally disagreed with her.)

Most educated professionals (including my numerous US colleagues) did not back him because he is an embarrassing fool and a dangerous one at that.

Trump was in it to be the winner and to be top dog. He was perfectly prepared to say anything to do that. And his multi-billion pound cushion will see him through nicely when the plan comes crashing down around his ears. Most of his voters will not have that luxury.

'claig what does "he is going to smash them" mean exactly? '

He is going to smash the crooked elite power structure.

"'You can smash the establishment too!' Nigel Farage ditches the dodgy moustache to join Donald Trump on stage and explain how Brexit success can be blueprint for his outsider victory"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3756674/Nigel-Farage-share-stage-Donald-Trump-discuss-Republican-presidential-candidate-learn-Brexit-success.html

This is a revolution and Trump intends to smash the power structure that maintained the rigged system.

As I say please let me know when it happens. And the people you claim to support will continue in their lives, and the likes of trump and farage will contnue in their infinitely more comfortable lives. But you know aren't we all having fun because the people won.

"Why Trump Won and Why Clinton Lost

Hillary Clinton’s stunning defeat reflected a gross misjudgment by the Democratic Party about the depth of populist anger against self-serving elites who have treated much of the country with disdain
....
But American voters chose him in part because they felt they needed a blunt instrument to smash the Establishment that has ruled and mis-ruled America for at least the past several decades."

www.commondreams.org/views/2016/11/09/why-trump-won-and-why-clinton-lost

Claig, just going back to your guardian link. What you missed is the banner acroos the top of that article. This.

An era that stretches back to Roosevelt has come to an end. America’s lawmakers must resist falling into line, and challenge the new administration at every turn

IMO this sums up the whole intent in one small para. An appeal by the Guardian, to use whatever means are available, to frustrate the sitting government. Who are the anarchists? This is now over and above resisting public opinion.

'I don't recall Hillary stating how she'd love to "punch in the face" someone who vocally disagreed with her.)'

'Under Intense Pressure to Silence Wikileaks, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange'

truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/

Compared to that, being punched in the face is getting off lightly.

"IMO this sums up the whole intent in one small para. An appeal by the Guardian, to use whatever means are available, to frustrate the sitting government. Who are the anarchists? This is now over and above resisting public opinion."

Absolutely, Chris. The elites are trying to stop Trump. But he is tough as nails and the whole corrupt lot of them have met their match. His friend of 40 years, Roger Stone, put it best

"Trump is as tough as nails.I have known him for 40 year. Believe me, you come out of the world of Manhattan real estate, Putin is a pushover"

The elites will roll out their teams, their spinners, their left wing phoneys from the top universities who work against the interests of the people, but they won't beat Trump. Just as he laughed at them and mocked them throughout his entire campaign run, he is laughing at them now.

Just one last observation (and not wanting to derail into Brexit but..), isnt the irony of the situation of both sides of the atlantic now becoming hugely apparent.

Here in the UK, the ability to challenge an 'extremist' sitting government, is indeed protected here by the Royal Prerogative. Oh the irony, if in their blind attempt to frustrate, the establishment indeed find themselves impotent by their own doing.........

'Oh the irony, if in their blind attempt to frustrate, the establishment indeed find themselves impotent by their own doing.........'

I don't fully see what you are saying. What do you mean by that?

Definitely, Brexit is part of the same thing, a rebellion of the people against the elites. Trump said "it is a global movement"

Sorry.....Id made a leap! Im refering to the Miller Judgment on Article 50 last week, which specifically ruled on the governments use of the royal prerogative. Now in that case, (and this is where I didnt want to derail) they linked the use of the RP to an implied 'loss of rights'.

However, that in itself is contrary to why we still have the RP in place. No government or politial party has ever wished to remove it, as it is indeed our last backstop to block an extremist government sitting in power. It is utterly undemocratic, BUT, remains in place to protect the nation if required.

(So much in my post is debatable, I really dont want to open the debate, simply point out that for now, the RP still exists, though Brexit challenges may see it removed)

Absolutely, they want their cake and eat it. Anything to try and thwart the will of the people.

I was thinking that too Chris. Open calls to use the judicial to frustrate and subvert.

Say no more.....

Yep, that impartial British institution that we all love and pay for.

If I worked in the media then I too might be scratching my head trying to figure out why the 4th estate is so despised.

Just can't put my finger on it...

The elites can't even rig the markets any more. Every lever they had has gone, flushed down the bowl. They have only got Owen Jones left. God help them, because his cant certaintly can't, the twunt. No wonder the BBC look so glum on TV as Trumpmania surpasses Beatlemania.

"Live | FTSE 100 surges towards 7,000 and dollar jumps as dramatic Trump turnaround rally continues - markets live"

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/10/chinese-stocks-climb-to-10-month-high-as-trump-fears-recede---ma/

Just getting back in thread, the Michael Moore piece has been ressurected today in the media as the chilling warning it was intended when he first delivered it.

Yet still, whilst theyre using it as indeed MM intended, as an explanation of some great chilling event, they persist in ignoring Trumps position on tariffs on imports. Trump was, is, and remains utterly right in his position. I certainly hope he can implement this part of proposed policy asap and overturn the utterly punitive free trade agreements that have crippled great swathes of America.

"The elites can't even rig the markets any more. "

Exactly this. How will the world turn now?