Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

[claig]

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

Agree, Shiningexample, it is a brilliant piece of writing that sums the whole system up with all the puppet politicians serving the elite power that treats people and countries like crap.

Trump is going to change it, however there are still 2 months to go before he takes over and the global elites are now desperate. But they have been defeated and jail is in some of their futures, so they are now powerless.

This is the biggest revolution since the French Revolution and elites are just as scared. The mainstream media is now almost finished, its reputation in the dirt. The entire spin machine has collapsed. The servants have all been exposed.

the world is going to be shaken and shook mightily, teeth will rattle until they fall out?
idk what to think, I woke up thismorning to find myself in a looking glass world

"This is great: twitter.com/DorotaG/status/796082482336645122"

That's Ann Coulter who I'd argue had more to do with putting Trump there than anyone else.

Since working on Clinton's impeachment she's been the bane of the establishment. Reviled and denigrated at every turn if you like free speech, excoriating dialogue, put downs which most stand ups couldn't touch and strong women then I couldn't recommend her more highly Claig.

Trump read one of her latest books which started all this off, though she's been pretty accurately predicting the failure of Republican candidates and scolding the system for some time.

Think she was hoping to become the head of the FEC so we'll see.

Thanks, Spinflight. Yes she is good, I bought some of her books on Amaazon because she understands the tricks and politically correct control that are used to fool the people, but some things she says are a bit too much for me, but she is a real conservative and dares to think.

She sent Trump her book "Adios America", however, I think she exaggerates her role. She is right that she was one of the first to back him, but her main focus is now all about immigration and I think Trump will ease up on that, he won't do what he said he would.

She is great because she understands the spin and lies and political correctness the elite use to control the people but nowadays she focuses too much on immigration.

I think Trump's main focus will be foreign policy which he likes and the economy, jobs and trade, so he will probably rely on thinkers other than Ann Coulter because her main focus is immigration.

Trump made a concilatory speech yesterday, but when he gets in, I think he will kick ass.

To suggest that Trump is not a fellow conspirator with 'the elite' is frankly, baffling.

A multi-billionaire who builds his own golden towers to be the voice of the disenfranchised? Pull the other one. He just found a new way to play the game to win: Target the disenfranchised and vulnerable; tell them what they want to hear AND (here's the biggest departure) don't be held back by facts, proof, honour, integrity. Fight dirty and fight to win. He'll kick the rust belt voters into the long grass as soon as you can say "tax cuts for the elite anyone?"

herethere, if that was the case, the elite would have backed him

"And he did it by overcoming a host of the most powerful enemies one could conjure: The Republican Establishment, the Democratic party machine, the Money Power, and a media united in their hatred of him."

They are very scared of him as are foreign elites because he understands what has been going on and how they have robbed America and he is going to smash them. Now he is being conciliatory, but once he starts on them, the feathers will fly. He is tough, he didn't go through all of this to be a "career politician".

She pushes the first amendment to the full as a way of winding up the luvvies, and has the brains and wit to carry it off.

Not just in this election but previous too it would be difficult to understate her role. As one Republican political pundit lamented they pick a candidate, Ann Coulter savages him, and then they lose. I don't know that she has an equivalent in the western world.

For that reason she's pretty much banned from domestic American media, she's almost hated as much by the political right for the wrecking ball she wields as the left.

'She pushes the first amendment to the full as a way of winding up the luvvies, and has the brains and wit to carry it off.'

Yes, she does it as performance. But I think she goes too far and turns people off, she goes way beyond Trump which is why I think he won't be able to use her in any official role.

' I don't know that she has an equivalent in the western world.'

I think Katie Hopkins is similar.

'For that reason she's pretty much banned from domestic American media, she's almost hated as much by the political right for the wrecking ball she wields as the left.'

Yes, the Establishment conservatives dislike her. She can't get on Establishment Fox any more even though she is a bestselling author.

She is funny, she is witty and she is a fighter. I checked her twitter out during the election because she takes no prisoners and lays into the Establishment RINOs and can be very funny.

"But I think she goes too far and turns people off, she goes way beyond Trump which is why I think he won't be able to use her in any official role.
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I think you underestimate her. She's currently paid to be a polemicist and possibly even indulges her role too much. When she was paid to be a lawyer she took Bill Clinton down. If she was paid to be a diplomat I'm sure she would be diplomatic.

Different hats, different roles. Which is something that people forget about politics.

"I think Katie Hopkins is similar."

Very pale comparison in my opinion. I can't see Katie calling long shots like the US Election correctly ( though maybe she did, I don't know).

www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-03-30.html

'She's currently paid to be a polemicist '

Yes, but she doesn't get invited on any more. It is counterproductive for sales. I like her but I don't think she is doing herself any favours. She is clever, I have got some of her books.

' I can't see Katie calling long shots like the US Election correctly'

Katie backed Trump right near the start and that takes some doing in our politically correct media world here even Richard Littlejohn didn't. If Katie was an MP, things would start getting done. She takes no prisoners and can run rings around any Labour MP with ease.

Yes so she did, backed him at least, I've never really rated or followed her.

One of the better summaries of the various candidates I've seen. :)

Shouldn't they be at lectures? Sheesh.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922098/The-backlash-begins-Disgruntled-anti-Trump-protesters-refuse-accept-election-result-gather-New-York-cities-country.html

Spinflight - yes, that Ann Coulter clip is great. You are right in that it takes a lot to have backed him right from the beginning in this climate.

Excellent....

So let me guess this right... They are marching to protest against democracy. I'll have to let that one sink in for a bit I think.

Which makes me worry, not for their sanity, but purely as one who has fought against the establishment. Surely with Brexit and Trumpnageddon that now makes me an establishment shill rather than someone backing the underdog.

Anyone know of an implausible lost cause that could do with an advocate? :D

Shouldn't they be at lectures Sheesh.

I'm sure their students won't mind rescheduling.

They are marching to protest against democracy.

I'm not sure an electoral college is democratic.
Hillary got the most votes overall.

After this and Gore, there should be a popular push for direct election.
There's your anti-establishment cause. :)

But the protests will remind Trump that many of his proposed policies and stances are deeply unpopular. I'm sure they'll stop soon anyway, at least until he starts anything nasty.

Nup, just your average SJWs having a tanty because things didn't go their way.

No one complains about the electoral college otherwise. It's in place for a reason, and the number of votes each state gets is directly proportionate to their population. How is that unfair? She won NY and CA, two of the biggest states in the country. She lost others. That's life.

Think I might have caused some SJW's genuine health problems on a US forum.

Reminding them that no president had controlled both houses during his entire term for 92 years... Some reaction.

Reminding them that Trump will get to nominate 4 Supreme court justices during his term, and that those judges will be in the Supreme court till they die or retire... Quite a reaction.

Pointing out that due to Obama's precedents Trump will have the power to open or close borders, sign treaties and carry out drone strikes even on American citizens, all without Senate or Congressional oversight... Well to say they flipped out.... :D

Surely with Brexit and Trumpnageddon that now makes me an establishment shill rather than someone backing the underdog

I would argue that this isn't actually about Trump and Hillary. What we are witnessing is the swinging back of the postmodernism pendulum that has defined our lives from about the 1980s-present.This is a realisation that the relativism of postmodernism (defined as a way of thinking that destabilises some sort of a 'core', and relativises everything) is not working. Ancient philosophers knew that and others have known it too throughout the ages because these same battles have been fought before. At extreme, relativism means that we have a sample size of one in defining how we live (which is, obviously, unworkable). It also paralyses decision making where people are unable to plump for one set of values over another. People are, rightly, resisting this and demanding the ability to be able to prioritise one thing or concept over another. I think that all revolutions are actually about this.These are such exciting times to be living in.

Hahaha Spin

It's almost entertaining. The tolerance preaching left having a right meltdown and showing their own intolerance. I normally don't have a problem with the left at all, but the overreaction about this election has been next level.

Yes, though postmodernism is politics and philosophy has only ever been used as a way of disregarding evidence. I suffered under several postmodernists, all spouting the same flawed quantum argument for their spurious bollocks.

I suspect, Pluto, that having grad students running around constantly fearful that President Trump might smite them from the clear blue skies might awaken some realisation that their unquestioning support of Obama might have been misplaced. :)

Which is a good thing....

Not sure I'm convincing myself. Lol