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Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

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claig · 06/11/2016 00:02

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

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claig · 09/11/2016 10:48

'Putin saying he wants to improve relations with US, Sky News now.'

Great. Trump wants the same. It was only the elites, bankers, puppets and the lying media who wanted war.

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claig · 09/11/2016 10:53

Trump says that his movement is part of "a global movement".

Absolutely. Blairites are distraught because we will have peace and prosperity rather than war and political correctness. They have lost their spin power of the media teams.

We have beaten the elites, folks.

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claig · 09/11/2016 10:54

Francois Hollande, the puppet who said Trump makes him want to "retch" has congratulated Trump. All the puppets of the elites are scared as hell.

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Chris1234567890 · 09/11/2016 11:46

Sky have just bust the race, earning, gender myths!!! Its beautiful. Theyve analized the exit polls. Unfortunately I didnt have my pen and paper ready but, in essence, those earning under £50k, voted Clinton. Those over, Voted Trump. The latino, hispanic ethnic vote went Trump. The women went Trump. Ill try and find Skys analysis on line.

fourmummy · 09/11/2016 12:35

Love this:

Lweji · 09/11/2016 15:53

The latino, hispanic ethnic vote went Trump. The women went Trump. Ill try and find Skys analysis on line.

That is not true.

www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37922587
Who voted for Donald Trump?
53% of men - 41% backed Clinton
42% of women - 54% voted for Clinton
58% of white voters supported Trump - 37% backed Clinton
8% of black voters backed Trump - 88% voted for Clinton
29% of Hispanics backed Trump - 65% supported Clinton
Source: Edison Research for ABC News, AP, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, NBC News

The income split is true, though.
I suppose those with higher earnings didn't want to spend more on health for all.

fourmummy · 09/11/2016 15:58

This is great: twitter.com/DorotaG/status/796082482336645122

howabout · 09/11/2016 16:30

Lweji I think the bbc vote split data is based on exit polling which was wildly wrong? Not sure how Sky have sourced their analysis?

I was always sure Florida would go to Trump because of all the old aged golfing community but also because the Cuban Latino population is pretty solid Republican and anti illegal immigration. I think as some other analysts are pointing out it is a complete mistake to think of the Latino population as a homogeneous group. Also their impact was neutralised somewhat because of their concentration in States such as Texas and California which were not "in play".

Interesting to note that the black vote was about 5 points (from memory) less Democrat than it was for Obama.

Also waiting to see further analysis of voter turnout as I agree with others it is likely that pollsters got the mix of voters / abstainers in various demographics wrong. This is similar to Brexit.

Lweji · 09/11/2016 16:44

Maybe Sky had a different poll, but I suspect the numbers won't be that different.

It looks like Trump did play the game better to get the state delegates, rather than the overall vote.
I think it was acknowledged from early on that Florida's Hispanics were mostly Republicans.

Chris1234567890 · 09/11/2016 16:59

Lweji, Im happy to accept, but it was sky who used the term 'myth busting', yet I am keeping an eye on them issuing their stats. Itll be interesting (or maybe not Smile, if there are variances with BBC stats. Perhaps everything is so unofficial, has the final count be done?, sky will await a final and accurate picture?

One thing is for sure, that unlike here, they do have data about age, race, education, employment, etc so who did vote, will be far less subjective than the Brexit 'vote'.

Lweji · 09/11/2016 17:11

From a quick google, yes, Sky has similar values.
news.sky.com/story/us-election-demographics-show-bitterly-divided-nation-10650812

Maybe they meant that the female and hispanic vote for Clinton wasn't as overwhelming as we could think, but they still voted mostly for Clinton. Male votes weren't overwhelming for Trump either, although a majority was.

claig · 09/11/2016 17:30

The BBC figures are teh same as teh ones shown on Sky News. Sky News drilled down into teh figures and found what the BBC seems to have left out.

"Trump increased black and Latino vote"

White women also voted overwhelmingly for Trump – 53% to Hillary’s 43%. Despite all of his comments he actually did better than Romney with women and minorities.

order-order.com/2016/11/09/trump-increased-black-latino-vote/

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Lweji · 09/11/2016 18:02

What has happened to your "the"'s on your latest posts?

One is a mistake, three is carelessness.

Lweji · 09/11/2016 18:03

And no, the BBC didn't leave the difference between elections out. It's in the full article.

howabout · 09/11/2016 18:51

The drop in support of the young from Obama to Clinton is interesting and I assume reflects the disgusted Sanders supporters effect.

Wordsaremything · 09/11/2016 18:58

I seem to remember Syria central bank is state owned not a private bank which is one reason for TPTB to hate Syria

Erm all central banks are state owned, because they are bankers to the state, holding their currency reserves and issuing currency. There can be no such thing as a private central bank.

Wordsaremything · 09/11/2016 19:10

bold fail there sorry.

claig · 09/11/2016 20:51

Roger Stone inside baseball

"Trump is as tough as nails.I have known him for 40 year. Believe me, you come out of the world of Manhattan real estate, Putin is a pushover" Grin

Elites across the world have been trembling all day, doctors have been called to proscribe medicines and concoctions, they won't be sleeping easy tonight.

We are in a new world. Brexit x 10

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claig · 09/11/2016 20:55

prescribe nor proscribe

Although Trump will do some prsocribing for the elites too

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claig · 09/11/2016 20:59

Francois Hollande called Merkel before they both announced their congratulations to Trump. Sheer, utter panic among world bleeders. What they are all scared of is if you stroke him, will he bite. You betcha, the elite are in panic and fright each and every night. Grin

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claig · 09/11/2016 21:02

Theresa May did a great job congratulating Trump. "We have shared values of freedom, liberty and enterprise". The US is a winner and we will be too.

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claig · 09/11/2016 21:58

Stunning article well worth reading from Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com on what the Trump victory means, that is entirely different from the Establishment groupthink fare about Trump we get from the BBC or our broadsheet newspapers.

"Donald Trump has done the unthinkable – unthinkable, that is, to the sneering elites: the “journalists” who have been spending their days snarking at Trump on Twitter, the DC mandarins who disdained him from the beginning, and the foreign policy “experts” who gasped in horror as he challenged the basic premises of the post-World War II international order. And he did it by overcoming a host of the most powerful enemies one could conjure: The Republican Establishment, the Democratic party machine, the Money Power, and a media united in their hatred of him.

That this is a revolution is a bit of an understatement: revolutions are usually national in scope. This is an earthquake that will shake the whole world.
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During the election, America’s client states all but formally endorsed Hillary Clinton, and expressed their unmitigated horror at the prospect of a Trump presidency
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The political class is reeling: how could this have happened?
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This puts it succinctly: the inhabitants of the “special world” of the political class — self-satisfied pundits, self-serving politicians, avaricious hedge fund managers, arrogant academics, less-than-thoughtful thinktankers, politically correct scolds, neoconservative warmongers – couldn’t imagine a world in which Donald Trump could win the White House. They laughed at him when he announced, they sneered at him even as he was winning the primaries, and they unleashed more venom than an army of rattlesnakes when he won the Republican nomination
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In short, they have no idea why he won because they live on a different planet than the rest of us.
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Trump understands that, as I put it in my last column, “The main issue in the world today is globalism versus national sovereignty, and it is playing out in the politics of countries on every continent.” A transnational ruling elite, the types who flock to Davos every year, has arisen that believes it has the right to manipulate the peoples of the world like pawns on a chessboard. These lords of creation engage in “regime change” when a government they don’t like challenges their imperial prerogatives: they move entire populations around as if they were human dust – they manipulate currencies, “manage” the world economy — and woe to those who challenge their rule!

And the epicenter of this global ruling elite is located in Washington, D.C., with the White House as the inner sanctum of the whole rotten system. And now that Fortress of Power has been breached. Thus, the panic of the elites.

Trump rode into office promising that “we’ll get along with everybody” who wants peace with the United States, as he said in his victory speech."

original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/11/08/trumps-revolution/

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Shiningexample · 09/11/2016 22:06

A transnational ruling elite, the types who flock to Davos every year, has arisen that believes it has the right to manipulate the peoples of the world like pawns on a chessboard. These lords of creation engage in “regime change” when a government they don’t like challenges their imperial prerogatives: they move entire populations around as if they were human dust – they manipulate currencies, “manage” the world economy — and woe to those who challenge their rule!

Spot on IMO
whether Trump or anyone else for that matter can do anything to change this, who knows?

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