Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

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new thread. :)

"Concern Grows Over Soros-Linked Voting Machines
Sixteen states may be using balloting equipment from a company tied to the leftist billionaire"

www.lifezette.com/polizette/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines/

We are lucky that we don't yet have electronic voting here even though some of our politcal class are in favour of it. Farage has protested about our postal voting system, but nothing much has been done about that yet as far as I know.

I am concerned about the Soros voting machines. Clinton was right when she said the Republicans stole an election. But she's trying to steal one herself now, so she can hardly complain when someone points it out.

They should really pull those voting machines. It's asking for trouble.

lol i just looked at that salon link - I was right

'Moore's new film seeks to humanise Trump supporters and Hillary Clinton and mend our divisions — and it succeeds'
seeks to humanise Trump supporters snort

basically the Trump supporters come off well and they want to give the credit to Michael Moore for 'humanising' them

I'm going to be a little snide here and say Salon writers are the sort of people who believe you can fly if you think enough happy thoughts

"monkeyed around with elections in the past"
Which is why there are safe guarding measures in place.
Which is why in the last few elections the cases of fraud are very small.
Which still means that in some places, some groups of voters are being discouraged from voting (problems with ids, time in queues), which seem to affect particular groups of voters that are not likely to vote Republican.

WW, everyone, including me, is aware of the limits of polling and how they can be manipulated.
I never said that I trusted polls implicitly, if you read my posts.
My comment early on was about Trump (and fans) celebrating polls when he was winning them, but screaming rigged when he's behind.
He can't have it both ways. Any comment on that, or will you post again links about how polls can be rigged?

His stance on polls seems as consistent as on the Iraq invasion. And pretty much anything apart from how great he is and how he must and should win.

Excuse me lweji but you NEVER comment on my arguments. I respond to question after question and post after post and you just grumpily go off and hunt for something else. This is the first time you've responded. So stop implying that I never respond, or that I create diversions, or that I keep ignoring you, because it's just another way of being snide.

He's complaining about the election being rigged as a whole: the media bias (including polls) maintenance of dead people on poll lists, refusal to insist on voter ID, possible actual, literal rigging by machines. That's why he complains (not screams) about rigging.

He believes the entire media, including pollsters, including all poll reporting, is biased against him. When there is a lead for him, he believes it's despite all this. That's why he tweets it. He thinks it's a lead worth having. Because if they could, the pollsters would avoid finding it, and the media would avoid reporting it.

And is there ANY chance that you could actually respond to this instead of going away to look for another random tack?

They tried to trick Trump into saying he would accept the result now when he thinks the Establishment will try to steal it because they are so frightened of what he might do to them. He will wait to see if it is a fair election.

You do understand that Trump saying he will only accept the election results if he wins (which is exactly what he has said most recently) is a frightening threat to democracy in the USA and the peaceful transition of power which has happened, until now, since the days of George Washington (of whom George III said, that if he gives up the presidency after his term he will be the greatest man on earth).

Do you have any idea of how important this transtion of power is? Or are you just all "make america great again man" without realising that what makes america great is its democracy?

And how repuslive the average voter in the US finds it that a candidate has said he will only accept the election if he wins.

Or how offensive the various State officials find it that they are impugned at not regulating elections when in fact there is zero evidence that there is any election rigging.

This issue is considered important enough that Fox news and the WSJ (who absolutely hate the Clintons and always have) are clearly very worried and negative about Trump.

Do either of you actually give a shit about the republic and democracy?

Probably not. I know Claig doesn't have a vote so why would she/he/it give a shit. But it does actually matter to a lot of us who are citizens of this country.

You do understand that Trump saying he will only accept the election results if he wins (which is exactly what he has said most recently) is a frightening threat to democracy in the USA and the peaceful transition of power which has happened, until now, since the days of George Washington (of whom George III said, that if he gives up the presidency after his term he will be the greatest man on earth).

Have you heard him say it?

Rather than a threat to democracy I think it might have been a joke. He said I promise to accept the results of the election (beat) (beat) if I win. He knows it's rigged, even if not actual fraud, then by the media, polls etc, and his supporters do too. And perhaps you didn't read what Claig said about Clinton going on about 2000?

I can't go through all of this as I'm going to work but Clinton is so deeply unfit for office for all sorts of more serious reasons and it's astounding that her supporters don't mind. Literally don't mind all the crap she got up to.

I would question whether you give a shit about democracy. It's obvious she doesn't, and neither does her campaign. Even police and FBI are skewing it for her. For a Clinton supporter to pontificate like po about democracy is the biggest joke.

WW with all due respect... you say you respond to post after post and question after question. Well... I would call you on that... you only comment if it is worthy enough, otherwise you sometimes just dismiss a post with 3 or 4 words because it doesn't meet your criteria for commenting on...

Everyone can provide link after link and dissect it till the cows come home. But of course both you and claig are only going to look for the pro DT links as others on here are doing the opposite.

You think clinton is unfit for office - hell, yeah she sure ain't perfect. I/We think DT is far more unfit for office. That's about it really.

Commenting on your post.... you and Claig say about DT... 'I think he was joking' or 'it was just a joke' or ' he didn't mean that, he was just joking'. It's been a common theme from you both through all the threads. I don't want to hear from a potential POTUS who is 'joking' in such a dangerous way (especially not accepting the result, the implications are huge) who is not saying what he means, who doesn't have the policies to back up what he is saying.... now that's what I call unfit for office.

Excuse me lweji but you NEVER comment on my arguments

That is a blatant lie. :)

Look up back on the threads.

I do admit at some point I've given up replying to "arguments" from you, when you reply like you did regarding my comment about Trump bragging about polls when ahead but complaining about them when losing.

I also don't have the patience or time to reply to 5 posts in a row.

When there is a lead for him, he believes it's despite all this

He wasn't complaining in the begging, though, was him?

Persecution complex and sore loser come to mind.
Anti-democratic does too.

We'll wait and see, but he's paving the way for a divided and violent country. Much more than anticipated.

Someone on another thread said they are afraid of war and that Clinton is for war.

How does civil war sound?

Because it's what Trump seems to be leading to with his current position.

Btw, I may not reply for a couple of hours or the whole day, as I have a child to take to school and work to do. Sorry for not being so much on the ball yesterday. What with my grandmother's funeral and all.

He is entirely consistent. He believes the polls are rigged and that when he has a lead it is a real lead. Grin all you like - there's no inconsistency.

And I started posting links because of the snide abusive nature of debate and because they are worth posting. They come from outside your echo chamber though and that why you don't like them.

You admit you stopped respond but say it's a lie when I point that out? Double think agogo.

OH Llewj so sorry to hear about your GM. It's always a shock whenever and however you lose someone.

Clintons campaign is anti democratic because they think the end justifies the means. They are abusing and exploiting process. There IS evidence, most recently video evidence. But it's not echo chamber so you ignore as does the rest of the media.

I believe in Democracy.

I believe that lies and fear mongering makes a mockery of democracy.

We saw this with brexit, and we see it now in the US.

Misleading, confusing and manipulating people has no place in a democracy. If nobody manages to reign in the candidates and focus their minds on the task at hand, maybe democracy is already a thing of the past?

Some countries manage to run election campaigns where cause and policy are the main focus and debates stay on topic. Other countries dont and create shit storms. I wonder why that is.

I'm sorry too I just read about your child and not the end of the sentence. Best wishes.

Absolutely. I'm surprised the Establishment at Channel 4 didn't put it on at 2 am. They must have slipped up.

Or, as usual, your reading of the "Establishment" is way out. Another classic example of the persecution complex amongst Trump supporters.

Qs all that applies to Clinton.

You admit you stopped respond but say it's a lie when I point that out? Double think agogo.

Hardly. Read your own post. You said that she NEVER responded (that quotes your use of capitals). Not quite the same as "I do admit at some point I've given up replying to "arguments" from you, when you reply like you did regarding my comment about Trump bragging about polls when ahead but complaining about them when losing".

Michael Moore is endorsing HRC.

Claig's reference challenging the legitimacy of the widely held view that Gore won the 2000 election is from Briebart. Brirbart is a rightwing xenophobic, racist site with th significantly less credibility than Fox!

As an aside the margin of error for vote miscounting/fraud is about 3%. Should we apply that to Brexit? I believe a rerun would be mandatory in that case, but that's a whole other thread.........

Thanks Roussette.
And what Lady Constance said. That is an example of why it's hard keeping a sane conversation with you, WW. (And not only)