Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

new thread. :)

It won't be enough for the establishment to defeat Trump. They feel the need to totally destroy and humiliate him. If you've read 1984 you'll know what I mean. Obedience is not sufficient: you have to love Big Brother. The political and corporate elite now require that we must accept their world view: that is, open borders, reduction of individualism, breakdown of family ties with society raising children. There is a huge movement that doesn't accept this world view and its figurehead must be utterly humiliated.

'The Michael Moore stuff is spot on'

Absolutely. You can see that Moore gets it, he means it. The audience laughs and doesn't understand what is really happening. Morre has spent his whole life fighting for working people but supporting the Democrats who work for the bankers, the elites, the Goldman Sachses, Wall Street etc and who will never deliver for the working people.

No someone has come along, Trump, who as he says "spoke to teh Ford executives like no politician has ever spoken to them". Trump is not a "politician", he is not a puppet, he is one of us, one of the people and he is going "to upend the system as Moore said, and that is why world leaders and elites acroos the world are petrified and are praying that Hillary will win and they can carry on with business as usual.

But a Moore says, everyone, whether penniless or broke, has the same vote as a millionaire and there are more of the people than the elite and their puppet class of politician servants.

'He doesn't have the detailed policies to back it up the promises '

You don't need it. It is all a sham the political class sell us as they rarely implement their mainfestos and promises. All that matters is that "where there is a will there is a way". Trump is going to kick ass of the crooks, the elites, the servants and the puppets and that will eliver for the peope and free us all of the whole lot of them and their spin and their think tanks and their telling us how many eggs we should eat for breakfast.

I've read your links thanks WW. I think we've covered this.

Really? So what did you think of the one about his policies?

I mean, if you can get beyond 'fucking insane'.

The poll that really counts is that about 70% of the American people think the country is going in the wrong direction. Trump is the change candidate. The people are unlikely to vote for more of the same, the status quo, the same servants and political class doing the same bidding of the bankers and the elites. That is why the elites and the media are working overtime to stop Trump and why world leaders are praying more than they have ever prayed before.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Here's a few. What do you think of these?

Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on members of Congress,
five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign governments, opposition to TPP, renegotiating NAFTA, and an affordable childcare act.

Michael Moore in Trump Land 29th on C4 @ 11pm if anyone's interested.

Thanks, ToujeoQueen. I didn't know about that. I will make a note to watch it.

It must show the Trump supporters in quite a sympathetic light. If it didn't it would be on at 8pm after the news.

64% on RCP average (not 70%)... and that "wrong direction" includes a lot of people who are very dismayed by the rise of Trump's populism. (sigh)

RCP is also a fairly right wing commentating/polling website.

'It must show the Trump supporters in quite a sympathetic light. If it didn't it would be on at 8pm after the news.'

Absolutely. I'm surprised the Establishment at Channel 4 didn't put it on at 2 am. They must have slipped up.

His policies of more accountability re lobbyists is worth exploring and is actually not bad. However, healhcare, immigration, foreign policy, gun control, environment - all areas where I disagree with him and find his positions abhorrent. Haven't read his tax policy as he thinks not paying taxes is smart, so don't see the point.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/trump-poll-lead-us-presidential-election-hillary-clinton-investors-business-daily-a7377206.html

this is the one I mentioned earlier but didn't offer a link

Why 'abhorrent'? They're normal policies that might have been held by one politician or another (apart from energy) even if you don't agree with them. What's with the hyperbole?

Opposition to TPP? renegotiating Nafta? what about the child care?

Some of those positions have probably been held by Democrats in the past.

I think there's a snob thing going on here. He's just too trash TV and we're all a little bit above that.

Umm 😶, you do realise that in this film Moore is actually trying to get Trump supporters to change their votes to Clinton, and at the end of the film endorses Hillary Clinton, right? In fact, most reviews state how very pro-Hillary the film is? 😶

I don't think this is the film that you think it is. ...

www.salon.com/2016/10/22/michael-moore-in-trumpland-a-film-whose-surprising-healing-power-is-needed-now-more-than-ever/

I know he's a Hillary lover. But the Trump supporters probably come well out of it despite that . The 'proHillary' must come out of what he says, rather than how the Trump supporters appear.

I could be wrong. Somebody report back - it's on too late for me.

It's my view. I am allowed one. I havent jumped on every post you make an demanded you justify every word.

Briefly though ... Promises to build a wall and make the Mexicans pay, Promises to keep immigration a down and keep Muslims out. It's all dog whistle politics that I find abhorrent.

His child care provisions are largely based on tax provisions. Smart people don't pay tax. His proposals are less generous than clintons anyway in terms of mat leave

The US President has little legislative power. Some of Trump's policies don't make sense in the light of this, especially now he has alienated the GOP.

But then who votes for logic nowadays?

The thing that makes him clearly unsuitable to be POTUS is the fact he will not guarantee he will accept the result.

Fundamental to US politics is a safe transfer of power. Al Gore actually won the popular vote but conceded. Trump refusing to do this should exclude him from further participation.

Oh shock horror bit of. Not like corruption, destruction of evidence, lying in an office of state, pay to play..all those make one eminently suited for office.

Of course you're allowed a view eterna. Who am I to say not? Sometimes people go on forums to discuss them, is all.

'It must show the Trump supporters in quite a sympathetic light. If it didn't it would be on at 8pm after the news.'

He challenged it and Hillary said

"Clinton even peddled her Bush-Gore conspiracy theories right on the stage of this year’s Democratic primary debates, when she declared, “A court took away a presidency. Now we’ve got the Republican Congress trying to take away the Constitution, and we should not tolerate that.” CNN actually fact-checked this outburst and rated it “False.”

www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/20/top-5-ways-democrats-challenged-the-legitimacy-of-the-2000-election/

They tried to trick Trump into saying he would accept the result now when he thinks the Establishment will try to steal it because they are so frightened of what he might do to them. He will wait to see if it is a fair election.

Sorry above post was meant to be in reponse to

"The thing that makes him clearly unsuitable to be POTUS is the fact he will not guarantee he will accept the result."

Obama Admits To Rigged Elections Back In 2008