Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

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In that video clip, Michael Moore says "I wouldn't trust the polls. In the Michigan primary, Hillary was ahead of Bernie by 15 points, and she lost"

He is entirely consistent. He believes the polls are rigged and that when he has a lead it is a real lead. Grin all you like - there's no inconsistency.

No. His supporters believe this (or at least the stupid ones do) but I do not believe that Trump and his campaign team expect to win.

Firstly, they have taken resources away from the transition team planning (ie preparing appointees for the first days of government) and reallocated them to campaigning.

Secondly, Trump does not reject all polls. He appears to accept polls which show him in the lead, including polls which are known to have flawed methodology (like the LA Times one, which can move 3-4 points depending on whether a single black Trump supporter is included in the panel or not).

All polls are wrong, but the likelihood of all the polls being wrong in the same direction is so small as to be negligible. It's still not impossible for Trump to win, because there are undecided and third party voters whose votes may be in play, but it's looking rather far-fetched at this point and all the evidence is that the Trump campaign team know this.

That's what the "rigging" narrative is about - it's a sore loser getting his excuses in early.

The Michigan case is one of those where polls got it wrong. But the list where the polls got it right (at least the winner right) is bigger (1 vs 50 states?)

It happens, and pollsters use those cases to improve the sampling in the next polls.
Polls can be manipulated, but there are usually two sides manipulating them in different directions.

This is why I was asking about Trump's own polls. If they do know something we don't and have better sampling than the rest, why not show it off?

Certainly treat polls with caution (if nothing else because small things can change the electorate at the last minute), but yes, when it's all pointing in the right direction, it looks like it's going that way.

I'm sure nobody is relaxing in the Clinton side, and the current polls could have a cruel effect for Clinton. Trump being behind in polls can fire up Trump voters to show up, while thinking Clinton is a sure win could relax Clinton voters enough to not bother and stay at home.

Trump CAN win.
Does he look likely to win? Not really.

I'm going, but I've just come across this article, which I think is interesting.

Donald Trump is no outsider: he mirrors our political culture

‘Donald Trump personifies the traits promoted by the media and corporate worlds he affects to revile; the worlds that created him. He is the fetishisation of wealth, power and image.’

WW - Only to Clinton?
Do you not see that it applies to them both?

There was an article on the Daily Hate today that had some extracts of Clinton staff emails. One said "not right in her head yet". This was immediately interpreted by the "newspaper" as a stunning expose of a candidate with mental and/or health problems.

If you read the whole email chain it was talking about her response to a particular question, and her phrasing of the answer was" not right in her head yet". Seriously these are the sort of issues coming out of wikileaks. It is fucking ridiculous and grasping at straws.

the email server issues are explainable- not ideal of course - but explainable and have not caused ANY national security issues.. Trump supporters are unable to take off their blinkers and tin foil hats for long enough to understand actually what went on. Did you know for instance that certain emails listed as "classified" in her email records were classified AFTER they were sent?

If anyone is physically unfit for office its the orange haired permatanned ape who looks so agitated he might have a cardiac arrest at any moment.

Thanks for the video, lljkk.

I love that guy!

I read that about the emails boosiehs

I just really can't believe anyone outside of the deep south US...the backwoods hills and hollers, is actually supporting such a dangerous crackpot as Donald Trump. I am so, so thankful that I've only got the local ignoramus population to vote against in this election.

Shocking. Really shocking. Have you not been listening for the last year?!

There was an interesting discussion on the radio today with the editor of the New York Times. Its primary purpose wasn't to talk about Trump, but he came up in the conversation. The editor was saying that previously they had held back from outright accusations that politicians were lying out of a sort of respect for their position and the democratic process. However, with Trump they reached the point when he was lying so regularly and was actively deceiving the electorate so much that they felt they had no choice. Hence for the first time in their history they put out a headline with an outright statement that he was a liar. Essentially he had changed the landscape for them, and they are likely to stop holding back on calling out politicians who are liars, so I suppose to that extent he has had a beneficial effect.

Oh, dear, it's an old piece, but it turns out that Trump is right about media bias in the election.

Pro-Trump Media Bias Confirmed As Networks Admit To Pushing Trump Propaganda

Oh, it's pro-Trump. Ups.

Oh silly lweji

What a mistake to make

You do understand that Trump saying he will only accept the election results if he wins (which is exactly what he has said most recently) is a frightening threat to democracy in the USA and the peaceful transition of power which has happened, until now, since the days of George Washington (of whom George III said, that if he gives up the presidency after his term he will be the greatest man on earth).

Have you heard him say it?

Yes.

Just listened to an interview with the editor of the National Enquirer. They have a former Clinton fixer already out in this week's issue talking about stuff, but he says that next week (either Wednesday or Thursday when they publish) there will be a huge story about the Clintons by one of their former associates that he says he thinks will sway a certain demographic of the population against Hillary.

Don't know what it is, but the editor thinks it wil be huge.

Oh, the National Enquirer?
It must be true, then.

And why do they always warn that something big will come out? Why not just report it?
I think we're still waiting for the something big Trump promised in August.

The clip clearly shows how big "blacks" support is for Trump. In black and, ahem, white.

Plus, Trump using his campaign to sell a new golf course. Of course there won't be any conflict between his presidency and his businesses.

And not knowing his own employers are NOT on Obamacare. Because they're on his company's health insurance.

The National Enquirer is nearly always right. It was first about Bill Cosby, it was right about ohn Edwards and Gary Hart. The elite class was in panic when they heard what the National Enquirer has coming. You can guess what it might be.

I thought the National Enquirer is just a supermarket rag dishing the dirt on slebs... a bit like Closer or Heat or whatever.

Totally puzzled as to what they could contribute

Hi claig
I've got some super links for you, but I can't post them on my phone. Let me give you a few details so you could google if you fancy it.

Ok so the first one is How the Elites Blew Up the World and is a wide ranging critique of US foreign and trade policy - the policies hc would obviously embed.

The second is Trumps Clear eyed foreign policy

It by a highly decorated veteran general hang on

Bert misusawa a major general in the us reserve

Then the Wasington Examiner: There is no deadline on Clinton's dishonesty.

Three great reads I got from realclearpolitics. Hope you have time to read them.

WW - what the actual fuck?????

Seriously?

Just got one more: there's a great piece on 'how Obama administration corrupted the fbi' by judge Andrew napolitano.

How about

"Aliens impregnated my Granny's cat and it now wants to run for president"

??????

#cat better than Clinton