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Clinton V Trump - into the final three weeks.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 16:51

new thread. :)

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holeinyourhead · 01/11/2016 17:07

It's all rumours isn't it. I am just hoping something really juicy comes out from CNN again about Trump 2 days before to blow all this away and we get someone sensible at the helm - she ain't perfect but she isn't a complete moron like him

claig · 01/11/2016 17:11

'It's all rumours isn't it. '

Yes, lots of talk that they have more tapes of Trump but some people are saying that if they had anything big they would have used it and that they are "out of ammo".

But the National Enquirer has said they have something big coming out on Hillary either Thursday or Wednesday when they publish. That is not rumour, but no one knows how big or what it is.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 17:18

The big thing on Trump would be something on the 13-year-old girl. I'm still half expecting it. They must be desperate.

She's worse than not perfect. She's a venal, mendacious criminal.

claig · 01/11/2016 17:20

'The big thing on Trump would be something on the 13-year-old girl.'

I doubt it because I don't think there is anything to it. Rumours are that they have Trump saying something racist on tape. I don't know if they have anything like that.

SerendipityPhenomenon · 01/11/2016 17:21

So if you aren't ignoring it, why do you still want her in the White House?

How about answering the question for once instead of avoiding it by asking others?

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 17:23

I don't think anything racist on tape would stop it now. People are honed and waiting for a big Clinton effort to deflect from her problems, and if they revive the racism thing they'll all go 'meh - dealt with that three weeks ago'.

They might have something for use if they're desperate, on the alleged rape - they're only holding back because it dumps bill in the shit too.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 17:23

How about you answer my questions?

SerendipityPhenomenon · 01/11/2016 17:25

The thing is that the child rape issue is really only one very small element of the charge sheet against Trump. Take that out of the reckoning and you still have the boasts about sexual abuse of women, the failure to disclose tax returns, his business record, his stated intention not to put his businesses into blind trusts if elected, his abuse of a war hero's family, and so much more.

SerendipityPhenomenon · 01/11/2016 17:27

WW, the only question you have asked is "So if you aren't ignoring it, why do you still want her in the White House?": to which my answer is that I haven's said that I do.

Your turn now.

claig · 01/11/2016 17:27

Yes, I don't think anything will work against Trump now. He has survived everything so far and is still neck and neck according to some of the official mainstream polls.

Roussette · 01/11/2016 18:47

Ahhhh.... the National Enquirer... that worthy broadsheet (not). I wouldn't believe a word they pubished.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 18:49

So you don't want her in the White House? Why won't you say?

I asked a few more than that. Smile

SerendipityPhenomenon · 01/11/2016 19:30

Do you want a man with Trump's appalling record in the White House, WW? If so, why?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/11/2016 19:57

I don't want either of then in the white house. I vote for Lisa Simpson.

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claig · 01/11/2016 20:03

fourmummy, just listened to someone breaking down how the polls work. According to him, Trump will win and probably win big so your bet looks like it will pay off. I will post the video if it goes onto youtube later.

He says in 2008, Obama got huge crowds, but not in 2012 and the reason was because lots of the huge crowds are first time voters who want to experience the rallies live. That is similar to teh huge crowds that Trump gets because lots of them are new voters and people who have never voted before. When they phone poll, they ask if the people voted in the last 2 elections and if they didn't they exclude them because they think they are unlikely to vote. So they don't get a real reading.

Also nowadays lost of people no longer respond to telephone poll calling and they distrust the callers and are not willing to be politically incorrect and say what they really think out of fear of data privacy etc so they tel the pollsters what the Establishment wants to hear, and therefore the readings aren't as accurate as they were years ago.

He also said that the online flash polls do accurately assess enthusiasm and what people are likely to vote when they really turn out. So the fact that Trump won all the online polls against Hillary after the debates is significant even though he lost the so-called "scientific" polls. In the Republican primaries, the Establishment "scientific" pollshad Trump winning just 1 debate out of 11, but the online flash polls had Trump winning all 11 debates and of course Trump won the primaries by 3 to 1.

So he says the polls are not telling the true story and the Establishment are in for a shock.

He says he thinks that the Clinton brand is done and the Democrats now probably prefer Trump to win because they think he will be a useless President and they don't fear him, they fear the people and the Trump movement and if Trump is a failure as president, then they hope the people and the Trump movement will disband.

Lweji · 01/11/2016 20:03

I'm watching this clip and it seems like a reasonable analysis of the email announcement and the FBI role in it.

BTW, the Clinton side can only possible have mentioned bias in the media in relation to benefiting Trump. He's everywhere. He's got millions of dollars of free publicity. Fox even has the Trump Hannity show.
The media has run their imagination free on the FBI email letter and freely broadcast Trump's wild accusations, aka lies (because he's making accusations that weren't even hinted at in the letter).

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 20:04

CONFIRMED: Hillary’s Foundation Hid a $2.35 Million Foreign Donation from the Head of the Russian Govt’s Uranium Company that Had Business Before Hillary Clinton’s State Dept.—a Clear Violation of the Memorandum of Understanding with the Obama Administration.

Can I just leave this - it's from the New York Times.

Lweji - not at all. I'll see if I can find the quote.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 20:06

Former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Hillary Clinton ally: “The majority of the media’s against Donald Trump and favours Hillary Clinton.”

Bitofacow · 01/11/2016 20:07

Clinton would not be my candidate of choice. However, given the limited powers of the US president she knows how to 'play the game'. She could work with Congress to keep the government running. Not ideal, a long way from perfect but a working, functioning government.

My fear is that Trump could turn an already sclerotic system into a total car crash. His policies make no sense in the light of the system. His potential refusal to put his company into a blind trust makes legal action inevitable. His inability to moderate his behaviour is a foreign policy nightmare.

claig · 01/11/2016 20:11

'Fox even has the Trump Hannity show. '

That is all that Trump has and of course that is why Hannity gets the hghest ratings for his show on TV out of all the political programmes, higher than politically correct Megyn Kelly who interviews Michael Moore and that lot, and higher than the usual highest rated anchor, Bill O'Reilly because it is pretty obvious that O'Reilly is not four square behind Trump.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 20:11

Nice use of sclerotic
definitely get some points for that!

Bitofacow · 01/11/2016 20:15

WW - sclerotic is a bit trite really, it is often used to describe the US system especially in relation to our more flexible, unwritten constitution.

Lweji · 01/11/2016 20:17

There's no such thing as bad publicity. Wink

BTW, this might be interesting...

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