Trump vs Clinton Round 2. Bigger debate than the last one.

[claig]

Round 2, Monday morning 2 am UK time.

Will "the real Trump" show up?

Claig, you say Louise Mensch "is very well connect". To what?

Claig, you say Louise Mensch "is very well connected". To what?

And in the process handing the victory on a platter to the incumbent party.

Like JC, Trump was an outlier, a joke even, never taken seriously until it was too late. Only difference here is that JC doesn't appear set to tear the establishment apart, he still seems to be at least claiming to be seeking unity whereas this (as per your reference) is like a red rag to Trump.

Do you think the RNC will try to replace him before he gets more airtime on the debate tomorrow, can they do that?

This business of Trump being on the verge of revealing all and destroying his enemies has a recent precedent:

I'm waiting for them beans! Can't wait!

'Claig, you say Louise Mensch "is very well connected". To what?'

To the movers and shakers and public money political class piss-takers, but not to Trump, the next President of the United States of America.

nauticant

'Do you think the RNC will try to replace him before he gets more airtime on the debate tomorrow, can they do that?'

I don't think they can. There are some rules they can invoke. NeverTrumper Lousie Mensch is calling for teh invocation of Rule 9 whatever that is. Not all the party will agree. There were media reports that Jeff Sessions had asked Trump to stand down but I don't believe that for one minute. That is just the media desperate to stop Trump. Removing Trump would guarantee a Republican defeat, which the Establishment Republicans and elite won't care about as long as they are spared from Trump and what he will do to the Establishment.

It could split the party and make voters abandon what they call RINOs (who are Establishment Republicans In Name Only).

The Establishment is so desperate to stop Trump that they might do it but it would split the party.

If Trump makes it to tomorrow, the gloves will be off and when the people hear the truth, Trump will win.

There has never ever been a political candidate like Trump. He has courage and resilience beyond anything the Establishment ever dreamed of. They hoped they could bully him and make him buckle, but they underestimated him.

Thanks claig, will follow more on that, thoughts on what the truths might even be??

Trump will win

Whatever you say claig

' thoughts on what the truths might even be?'

It depends on how far Trump wanst to take it because it will shock th epublic if he says everything and the public may not be ready for it.

There is obviously the Bill Clinton stuff, but then there is Isis, Syria, Libya, Benghazi, pay for play, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Trump won't have time to tell the whole lot and I am not sure he will want to.

He's going to have to come out with something massive to counter the backlash against the videos.... who's staying up to watch it then?!

I will try and stay up. A journalist on the SPectator is saying that Trump may just apologise and not attack and let Clinton attack him and then he will gain sympathy but in my opinion that is not enough. He will have to show that he is capable of leading and telling the truth and revealing what has gone wrong and why if he is to turn around the negative publicity that the Establishment and media are ready to dump on him.

Like claig I salute Trump's indefatigability.

As we say in my family, you can never hold a good Trump back.

The sensible thing under normal circumstances would be to try to rise above and keep redirecting the debate back to policy and substance. Trump just seems to easy to provoke though?

Nautical ... I'm sure he'd love to know that

'The sensible thing under normal circumstances would be to try to rise above and keep redirecting the debate back to policy and substance. '

Yes, but although Trump's policies are winners and are better than Hillary's, Trump does not explain them too well because he doesn't do "detail", whereas Hillary has been doing this all her life and is better on policy arguments, even though Trump won on the economy in the last debate.

But the real problem Trump will have is that the moderators will be Establishment and will try to turn discussion away from Trump's strong policies and onto his crass and vulgar remarks and temperament etc which is the field on which Hillary wants to play.

Trump will have to fight both the moderators and Hillary and to do that he will have to deflect them by springing big surprises of truth that astound the audience.

Yes good point about the moderators, even if they weren't establishment they'd still feel their role was to hold him accountable for what's come out this week.

Off to bed here but will check back in for updates, night all

Yes but I think the media know that the suit against Trump doesn't stand up which is why they haven't run with it.

I don't buy this - they just don't care about the kid and they think rape victims make stuff up (they same way they didn't care about all Clinton's victims).

There has never ever been a political candidate like Trump. He has courage and resilience beyond anything the Establishment ever dreamed of.

You've already air-brushed the recording from your memory, haven't you? How can you possibly romanticise sleaze like that?

Zuleika - he has been handed the opportunity on a plate to rebuild his underdog, bullied, outsider status.

Trump would definitely appreciate my support Fruitboxjury.

The message must be clear: don't hold back, follow through, and Trump all the way!

All he has to do tomorrow is say 'God I was so wrong - but look at how everyone's ganged up on me, the press, the establishment - they never this over XYZ to do with Hillary did they' (which is more or less true but anyway) and the whole thing will start all over again. It is like a merrygoround from hell.

they never did this

Yes, but although Trump's policies are winners and are better than Hillary's, Trump does not explain them too well because he doesn't do "detail"

What he has trouble with is defending the indefensable.

He can't defend the idea of a wall with detail, because he can't show how it will work 100% or how he'll fund it (other than kicking it to the other team).

He can't defend lower taxes without explaining what will happen to education and welfare (and every developed country needs welfare). Not everybody is able to work, even if lower taxes took back jobs.

He can't defend a worse maternity leave policy, although I've seen Ivanka try to. Less time, no parental leave and vague idea where funding would come from (cutting on welfare fraud, which is a huge gamble and something he seems to use to fund everything.

He can't also defend a foreign policy of no intervention abroad, unless there's oil to plunder, abandon allies, let Japan arm themselves (with nuclear weapons?), Putin is great and can deal with ISIS, or Trump with deal with ISIS and sort it in a few weeks (I'd love the detail on that), and maybe use nuclear weapons in Europe.

He's been talking about wars abroad for years. He's been running for President for over a year. When will he be able to explain his policies? 9 years after being elected?