Trump vs Clinton. Biggest debate in world history 2am tomorrow. Will you be there?

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The entire world's movers and shakers, swindlers and fakers, public money piss-takers will be watching in trepidation at what Trump will do to them. The entire world's great and the good, high and the mighty, shifty and flighty will be supporting Hillary. Will you be with the people supporting Trump?

Have you got the ice cream, the chocolate, the biscuits and the matchsticks to keep the eyelids open ready?

As a warm-up, here is Sky News's 30 minute documentary shown last night

"Trump. Could it really happen?"

Why is it so bad for the candidate to call it?

Because he'd be mining the process.

But the key thing here isn't who calls it, but that it has been called months ahead of the election, even.
This is the type of self-fulfilling prophecy that leads to trouble.

And insinuates that the other side is not to be trusted. Why shouldn't it be?

I understand that Trump voters don't want to be dismissed or sneered at, but on this thread it has happened mostly when another sort of conversation was possible.
As for Hillary, I do understand she was pointing out that there is a definitive group of Trump voters that is deplorable. Racist, bigots, etc. Most are not (I hope), but those who aren't should perhaps take stock and think a bit why those who really are deplorable are so keen on Trump.

I think you're justifying the sneering Lweji, again. I know it's hard to stop, and you don't have to. But Clinton's camp must, if they want to get this in the bag.

When fraud is found, anyone should be able to call it.

We shouldn't try to justify the sneering at blacks, Mexicans, women, latinos, immigrants, muslims or people who pay tax.

Even though Donald and the Donaldists love them.

When fraud is found, anyone should be able to call it.

The key point being "when it is found", not before.

I think you're justifying the sneering Lweji, again

Read the sneering, on this thread about "charidees", for example.

It's mostly Trump who sneers at anyone who is against him.

'The Clinton Foundation: Whistleblower Charles Ortel says it is 'the largest unprosecuted charity fraud ever'

www.inquisitr.com/3178869/the-clinton-foundation-whistleblower-charles-ortel-claims-it-is-the-largest-unprosecuted-charity-fraud-ever-attempted/

You were the one who accused Trump's chairty of being a "charidee". I was talking about the charidees that the metropolitan elite promote.

But it is being found…

I completely agree we shouldn't sneer eat anyone. But do you both?

"Haitians Protest Outside Hillary Clinton’s Office Over ‘Billions Stolen’ by Clinton Foundation"

freebeacon.com/politics/haitians-protest-outside-hillary-clintons-office-over-billions-stolen-by-clinton-foundation/

You were the one who accused Trump's chairty of being a "charidee". I was talking about the charidees that the metropolitan elite promote.

Yes, I did. Because it is, as per your definition.

How is Trump's Foundation any different than Clinton's? Or, more to the point, any better, and not actually worse?

And what is Trump but metropolitan elite?

But it is being found…

Trump did't mention anything about fake registrations. Does anybody know who would those people vote for?

'How is Trump's Foundation any different than Clinton's? '

Trump's foundation does not accept donations from foreign politicians and a foreign political class and is nowhere near the size of the Clinton Foundation.

'And what is Trump but metropolitan elite?'

If Trump was metropolitan elite then the people would not be voting for him and the proud members of the Basket of Deplorables would want nothing to do with him. Trump is a populist, the people's candidate against the insiders, cronies and metropolitan elite.

'Does anybody know who would those people vote for?'

Who do you think? Why do you think the political class don't want ID for voting?

"One in Three in U.S. Think Voter Fraud a ‘Major’ Problem

More than a third of U.S. citizens view voter fraud as a "major problem", according to a survey carried out by research company Gallup (file photo)

Republicans were more likely than Democrats to view voter fraud as a major problem"

time.com/4461014/voter-fraud-poll-gallup-poll-republicans/

Of course no one knows who they'd vote for. Is it only fraud if they vote for the 'wrong' person?

BTW, this is an interesting article about the difficulties faced by Hillary
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/06/hillary-clinton-democrats-barack-obama-middle-america

It is for the most part true, which is why, normally, a Republican candidate would have the doors open for election. Most presidencies have their failings, and for the most part we've seen the two parties alternating because people do become disillusioned with the previous administration. It is very hard for a same party candidate to promise something different.

In fact, what is strange is that Trump as a Republican candidate, who'd normally cash in on the failings of the previous administration, isn't in a stronger position than he is.
Hillary is not liked (she lost to Obama too), many people are disillusioned with the Obama administration, so why isn't Trump doing a lot better?

And don't say it's the Establishment. The "Establishment" has allowed Trump to be nominated.

Trump is clearly failing when a Republican candidate would normally have a walk in the park.

"If Trump was metropolitan elite then the people would not be voting for him"

What?

A billionaire New Yorker who inherited a multi-million dollar business, and started up with a million-dollar loan from his dad, and doesn't pay tax? Who buys a new glamour wife every time his old one needs a respray?

What do you call that?

A blue-collar working man? A redneck?

Or are you referring to the fact that he has money but no class?

Of course no one knows who they'd vote for. Is it only fraud if they vote for the 'wrong' person?

No.
I'm just questioning why Trump is so worried about possible fraud.

From what we've seen on the campaign, Trump is probably the most likely candidate to accuse others of doing what he does, so, I can only conclude that he is the one most likely to attempt fraud.

'Trump is probably the most likely candidate to accuse others of doing what he does, so, I can only conclude that he is the one most likely to attempt fraud.'

Trump is an outsider, the entire Establishment is against him. He doesn't control anything in the electoral process, so he can't be part of any fraud.

"Hillary is not liked (she lost to Obama too), many people are disillusioned with the Obama administration, so why isn't Trump doing a lot better?

And don't say it's the Establishment. The "Establishment" has allowed Trump to be nominated."

The Establishment are not giving a true picture of Trump's popularity. Trump's crowds are huge, his social media support is huge, his youtube videos get millions of views, Hillary's don't.

The Establishment didn't allow Trump to be nominated, he self-funded against all of them not endorsing him and backing their puppet candidates in stead of him. They couldn't stop him and now he is close to beating them.

'I'm just questioning why Trump is so worried about possible fraud. '

Because Trump has some expert seasoned electoral campaigners working for him who understand the Establishment and how they work and the dirty tricks they get up to. They don't get their info from the Guardian, they know how things work on the inside, they have contacts, they understand the system.

He doesn't control anything in the electoral process, so he can't be part of any fraud.

As Obama pointed out, elections are controlled locally.
Central Government doesn't affect them.

Local nutters on the other hand, paid by a multimillionaire, on the other hand...

And what he said about there being fraud if he looses, is a way of attempting to manipulate the elections. It's likely to cause riots, people being over sensitive and on the lookout for anyone who might not be 100% kosher.
It can easily lead to too much time taken verifying IDs, thus making the queues even longer and discouraging people from voting. Which does affect minority voters. Conclude what you want from that.

'As Obama pointed out, elections are controlled locally. '

Yes and who is in charge locally? Not Trump.

'It can easily lead to too much time taken verifying IDs'

As far as I know, they don't do voter ID checks. That is what Trump would like tightened up to prevent multiple voting etc.

Well they've found fraud in Indiana, where Mike Pence is governor

Did Mike Pence uncover it?

oh good question. don't know.