Anyone a monumentem (sp) member?

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Never heard of them before Corbyn. Now they're everywhere.

So, possibly an organisation set up and run by one man, which aims to galvanise left wing leaning people to give support to it, without actually knowing how it works, or what it supports, apart from "Corbyn for leader", for his own unspecified political aims?

The SNP are definitely not hard left!!

Sanity

Yes that is it in a nutshell - scarey isn't it. Shades of Aaron Banks

Oh and how much money does it have and where does it come from?

It appears Momentum was renames last week - but they have forgotten to tell their supporters

www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inside-the-complex-snarl-of-companies-which-control-the-pro?utm_term=.tq71L1ly1#.opWrLrOzr

I am a traditional Labour voter. I am not galvanised by corbyn. I am utterly fitted by what momentum and corbyn are doing to the party. Bright new future? I take it by that you mean a Tory future.

Should say gutted not fitted.

The only thing that galvanises me atm is to speak out against what is happening. I don't think it will stop him being re-elected but I have to do something

As far as I can tell there really isn't anything underhand or unusual about Momentum's set up. The corporate structure they've created is not unusual. Their existence as a campaign organisation within Labour is also not unusual - others have/do exist, such as Progress and "Saving Labour".

The campaign was and is known as Momentum, however the limited company name was changed; by all accounts, quite standard practice. You have to be a company as far as I know in order to employ staff to help run the campaign; they are not volunteers, they are paid; meaning that all the appropriate employment stuff needs setting.

Money wise, the received donations, as has recently been investigated at the behest of Labour MPs accusing Momentum of not declaring their donations correctly, but they found everything above board. It's £1 a month membership per person I believe so that's a steady income off the bat.

I don't know why anyone expects them to have policies? They're not a political party. They DO have a mission statement; it's on their website here . Their aim is to engage people on a "grassroots" level to spread Labour values and increase membership. If you've never heard of that sort of thing before it's probably because the previous existing organisations weren't doing such a good job!

What on earth is all the fuss about??

Sanity have you even Googled it??

Plus it's not "run by one man", a registered company has to have a registered director.

eat How do you know the structure? It's not published is it? If you have it I would love to see it. Where is it publicised that it is a ltd company when you join? - I certainly wasn't told when I joined - my thinking was it was a 'movement' and I thought as Momentum is actively campaigning to have their supporters on CLP that it might have a governance structure. Why change the company name now to 'Jeremy for Leader' when the actual 'movement' does not reflect this in it's ethics - there is a disjoint isn't there

Details of how people are nominated etc - there is nothing. It is transgressing the boundaries of being a movement a shadow party whilst actually just being a company - With one director

So Yes it is one man - it only has one director Jon Lansman. The same one man that set it up Check out HMRC

I do know what the fuss is all about - I watched them hijack my CLP

In addition as yet no accounts have been published for the limited company(s).

Also if you have the results of this investigation I would love to see them as I can't find anything online about that anywhere

Re Progress - it is a ginger group in the and recognised as such. Saving Labour to be fair has been running 3 weeks or so. What is momentum? It isn't the same as either of those

By "corporate structure" I mean the fact they are a registered company with a different "trading name" as a movement. You can view the details of it's previous name changes on Companies House, but to be called something different in it's activities is quite usual for registered companies. Jon Lansman is the registered director - there has to be one - what exactly is your problem with that? Someone has to be! I'm not even a member but Momentum make absolutely no bones about the position on supporting Jeremy Corbyn, so again I don't understand your issue...

I don't know what you're referring to about nominations either; it's not a political party! There may be or there may not be elected posts, but why on earth there should be I cannot fathom? There are many of these entities - take Saving Labour - the exact same thing! There are not representative bodies with elections like the CLPs, they're campaigning organisations. There is no reason at all why they would have elected positions.

I'm a bit dubious about the phrase "they hijacked my CLP". So your fellow Labour members - or perhaps new Labour members (equally as welcome so long as they espouse Labour values, surely?) support Jeremy Corbyn? And you don't? A majority of your fellow members also wanted to be part of Momentum, leaving those of you who don't in the minority? And that's a hijack?? Perhaps I've misunderstood...

I can't find the link with more detail about the probe into finances, but here is the Labour List press release stating "absence of credible evidence" to suggest infraction. Ta da If I find the detailed one I'll post it!

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/comrades-war-decline-and-fall-socialist-workers-party

www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2013/01/laurie-penny-what-does-swps-way-dealing-sexual-assault-allegations-tell-us-abou

www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/eusapolicy/welfare/swpoffcampus/

In addition as yet no accounts have been published for the limited company(s).

Companies House seems to say they're filed the necessary annual return with them. You won't see their accounts in the public domain by default though, as they are a PRIVATE limited company and not a public company so are not obligated to publish their accounts. Again, completely normal.

Read the articles about Brighton and Hove and Bristol West - yes it was hijacked thanks. People were left intimidated and distraught and before then I had never even really heard of them. So I joined went to a meeting and am very concerned about how they are taking over parts of the LP

It is so funny how many people claim they are not a member and yet are so passionate about it. Yes it is significant that it is a company - it doesn't publicise that at all. People think it is a movement. It isn't. And yes it is odd to have the 'campaign' side having ethics that do not mention the 'Jeremy for Leader' new name. It is either a campaign for Jeremy or it is not - they need to change the 'mission statement' if it is

Re nominations - Momentum actively and openly discuss taking over the CLP's in order to de-select MP's that are not pro Corbyn. So they put forward candidates to do that - on Momentum banners (if you don't know this and haven't see it I suggest you actually attend CLP and Momentum meetings)

Still with me? So they actively put forward candidates. How are these candidates selected? Are they nominated? How fair is the process. You can not say 'but they are not a party' when they are actively acting like one. If they act like one then they should be transparent and have processes. I have seen people stand for CLP exec under the momentum banner. They are doing the same for the NEC. That is why they should be called to account re transparency They are taking advantage of a loophole in the structure of the LP. Clever yes. Ethical no

Saving Labour was set up just over 3 weeks ago. If it also acts like Momentum I would ask the same questions of it too

Re Jon Lansman. I find it very difficult that a 'movement' supposedly set up to further social equality etc has ONE DIRECTOR yes I do - that means there will be no balance in the company. Who calls him to account. How are directives taken etc etc.

So...... Momentum is a company, which has just changed its name so it now does not reflect it's 'mission statement' of the campaign it supports. It has one director and is placing members under it's banner to take over CLP's for the purpose of deselecting MP's, And that's all OK is it? Oh and it has no visible governance or structure

If you really are not a member then you will be able to join the dots.

Re Private Ltd Company. Ofcourse they have to publish accounts

I believe you show abbreviated accounts of a private limited company if the turnover is under £6mill so - I am sure an accountant can correct me. And full for companies over £6mill

And if it is less than that (which with donations I doubt) why wouldn't they anyway as part of the socialist ethics it is founded under?

I'm a Labour Party member so I'm fully aware of the meetings you mention, and whilst they were running I did attend my local meetings, thanks. With all due respect I'm not sure you fully understand the context of Momentum from what you're saying, and it just feels to me you're coming at this with an agenda rather than impartiality. You're looking for reasons to discredit Momentum, which is all well and good - you're entitled to feel how you do about them and to draw on those things to explain your views, but many of the things you're calling on are actually completely normal; I say it again, completely normal for organisations such as this. I think I'm making that quite clear if I'm honest and if I'd be reassured if you'd acknowledge things such as their "not publishing their accounts" or having a single named director as usual.

I'm not sure I'm enjoying your tone. "If you really are not a member...", well what if I were? I wouldn't hide it, that's for sure. I'll reiterate, I'm a Labour Party member so Momentum is not a complete mystery to me. I'm surprised it is to a member of any party, but I understand why explanation would be required for those with not much involvement in politics. I'm in an overwhelmingly Pro-Corbyn ward and constituency so many of my comrades and friends are Momentum members. I looked into it, but I don't have the zeal for more than I already do within the party plus I'm a bit more ambivalent in general, but good on those who do.

I'd go through your points one by one but I'm not sure your questions are genuine; I think you just want to see conspiracy in every facet of it, although I do think organisations like Momentum have their flaws.

There will be a delay as it is their first set of accounts - we will be able to see them at some point. Why not show them now

There will be a delay as it is their first set of accounts - we will be able to see them at some point. Why not show them now

Ugh, stop looking for drama where there isn't any.

Their existence as a campaign organisation within Labour

They are not affiliated to Labour.

They are not affiliated to Labour.

Really? Meh, shows what I know.

Actually, do you mean affiliated like the trade unions or "Scientists for Labour", that sort of thing? Where being a member makes you an affiliate member of Labour? No, I knew it was different from all of those. I thought you meant it wasn't linked in some sense.

eatsleep I fear you may be wasting your energies. If posters want to deliberately misunderstand company law, company structures and the fact that any organisation collecting money has to have a formal structure then your patient responses aren't going to help. If I was cynical I would think they were trying to distract attention from the valid questions about Saving Labour which Saving Labour could answer at any point but is currently refusing to do so.