Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

[claig]

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

[Showmethewaytogohome]

No savinglabour doesn't have meetings. Has no rallies. Has no figurehead. Has no shadow donations. Has no marketing director. Isn't pretending anyone is a messiah figure. It isn't a cult - there I have said the 'c' word

There is no mass movement of moderates against Corbyn - but there are an awful lot of us. They are silent and scared.

Oh and btw a populist movement doesn't mean it is a good thing - look at UKIP, EDL etc

[birdsdestiny]

The mass movement against corbyn is called the British electorate. This movement doesn't think politics is a game. They think it is about people's lives.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

The most frustrating thing about pro Corbyn views is the belief that the PLP and people like me should shut up and fall in line

It will not happen. All the election will do is split the party. Corbyn will insist he has a mandate. The PLP will still not be able to support him and the party will split. You will keep the hard left and armchair Corbynites. The members that are moderate, right and a lot of the left will go with the PLP

What will you achieve?

[Showmethewaytogohome]

Oh and please take the mysoginists and anti-semites when you split the party - I don't want them associated with mine

[claig]

'No savinglabour doesn't have meetings. Has no rallies. Has no figurehead. Has no shadow donations. Has no marketing director.'

Does it have any members?

[Showmethewaytogohome]

It isn't a movement - read the whole post

I just remembered the mysoginists and anti-semites will be going when the party splits - they are in the main Pro-Corbyn and Corbyn himself ofcourse

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

They've tried to create something similar to Momentum with Saving Labour - difference is, it's garnering no where near the popular support.

Maybe because it doesn't have a very very rich backer like Momentum does.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

Yes how much money does Momentum have? Where does it get it's money? No published accounts for the COMPANY with ONE DIRECTOR that is Momentum

[claig]

This is an article about Saving Labour

"Labour figures call for probe into 'shadowy' anti-Corbyn backer
...
Trickett, the MP for Hemsworth in West Yorkshire, said: “We have to know who is behind it as it’s sprung up overnight. Is it an organisation that’s open to all party members or can anyone join and how is it funded? These are all questions that need to be answered.”

www.heraldscotland.com/News/14638772.Labour_figures_call_for_probe_into__shadowy__anti_Corbyn_backer/

[Showmethewaytogohome]

I raise you this one Claig:

Momentum is now 'Jeremy for Labour ltd' Not quite as catchy. I didn't get the memo

www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inside-the-complex-snarl-of-companies-which-control-the-pro?utm_term=.tq71L1ly1#.opWrLrOzr

[houseofpain]

There is such a double standard operating with regards to Corbyn. Concerted attempt to stop prominent pro-Corbyn Jewish woman from being elected to the NEC by anti-Corbyn supporters but this is not treated as anti-semitic? The fact that media bias against Corbyn shown to be at unprecedented level compared with other leaders in LSE study - 1/4 of Corbyn-related articles 'scathing, disingenuous, insulting or mocking' and when his views were reported they were taken out of context, people can talk about 'knifing him in the front' ...If these were Corbyn supporters they would have been completely demolished and accused of anti-semitism, misogyny, violence, but ok if they're used by critics of Corbyn. Bullying and intimidation needs to be challenged everywhere, not used to exploit an agenda to oust a legitimately elected leader. I'm shocked (and depressed) at the lack of critical awareness of how the media has been reporting on Corbyn.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

Anti-semitic? Really because she is Jewish? If she was black they would still campaign against her because she supports Corbyn - with your argument they would then be racist. Simplistic way of looking at the world

Oh and I actually seen intimidation with my own eyes - not from the comfort of my armchair. Are you OK about Momentums sorry Jeremy for Leader ltd set up?

[RiverTam]

So if 1/4 of Corbyn articles are negative that surely means 3/4 are positive, no? But the point is is - what is Corbyn doing about it? Apart from whinging and saying poor me, meany right-wing media? Because that's not going to help get his message to the wider audience, is it?

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Also it is easy for Corbyn's campaign to complain about MSM bias but for example, Channel 4 apparently have tried to get people on for days. All refusing. If they are having trouble I'm sure others are too.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

Owen Jones has said he can not get an interview too - and he is hardly anti-Corbyn is he?

[houseofpain]

You've missed my point regarding simplistic arguments but of course that doesn't matter because I have indicated I support Corbyn and my view doesn't matter. And yes - I think there is a selective idea of what anti-semitism looks like and an unwillingness to see this for what it is. I know who I would trust in terms of equality and inclusive politics and that is NOT people using my issues to denigrate the person I know who has consistently supported my rights.
www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/158804/rhea-wolfson-blocked-attempt-win-seat-labour-nec-after-ken-livingstone’s-suspens
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/only-jewish-candidate-for-labours-ruling-nec-blocked-after-intervention-by-jim-murphy-blairites-a7059486.html

[houseofpain]

And talk of 'one woman' doesn't help either. If this 'one woman' had been standing against Corbyn there would have been outrage and cries of anti-semitism over the incident.

[howabout]

I completely get your point houseofpain and I completely agree.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

house explain your point then because yes I have missed it. Nothing in those articles states she was blocked because she is Jewish. Nothing. Therefore my point regarding any candidate being black and being blocked stands.

I have no issues at all in anyone supporting Corbyn. My issue is that it seems if someone does they can see NO wrong at all in him or anyone who supports him That is not healthy. I could say I support Owen Smith for example but say I disagree with x y or z. That is healthy discourse

As I am in the minority in my stance within the LP and pro-Corbyn are in the majority I find it very puzzling that people take my stance so personally.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

I haven't mentioned 'one woman'. Nope still don't get your point.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

Looking at the whole picture rather than 'one man' This will split the party. Is that what Corbynites want?

You may want to read this.

constitution-unit.com/2016/06/29/what-if-labour-splits/

[houseofpain]

Sorry - can't type properly and my last message got lost! rhea Wolfson has been the subject of a lot of online anti-Semitic abuse after announcing she was standing for the NEC and was the only Jewish candidate. I would argue that yes, in this context, the move to stop her was anti-Semitic even if driven by being anti-Corbyn (just as pro-Corbyn supporters can still be racist). I think there should be able to be criticism of JC - it would be unhealthy for there not to be but the double standard that functions re Corbyn is astounding and I think it needs to be challenged. There might not be a mass movement to unseat him but there is a whole raft of establishment media and figures lining up against him that it's not easy to hear what he or supporters are saying.

[JohnBarleycorn]

I can't go through the whole thread and I daren't ask friends who want corbyn out (not that I've found many) but can someone answer my question? I hear non JC supporters saying he is splitting the party by refusing to step down. But aren't they splitting the party by trying to oust the democratically elected leader? I genuinely don't understand how stirring up sentiment against the leader and trying to find someone (anyone) else to lead isn't divisive.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

But aren't they splitting the party by trying to oust the democratically elected leader?

The issue the have is he isn't leading them. If you have a look at the accounts of various MPs from various parts of the party they all give their experience of this.

They are under rules allowed a vote of no confidence and to challenge him which is what they have done.

He was part of the group that did the same to Kinnock so can't really complain.

[Showmethewaytogohome]

house Any abuse from anywhere should be stamped out. There is no organised 'anti-Corbyn' movement so it would be very difficult to assign the abuse to such. I fully support anyone carrying out any abuse at all on any person for any reason being being prosecuted and/or thrown out of the Labour Party if they are a member.

However, there is proof that active pro-Corbyn supporters such as Ken Livingston have made anti-semitic remarks (hence his suspension)

I actually think the party should split as soon as possible. Regroup with the 170 plus as the opposition. I am hoping this is already the plan. Then I will have no need to think about Corbyn ever again. He can have the tiny far left party he wants with all of his supporters but minus the privileges of being official opposition leader.