Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

[claig]

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

'How about he changes everything ala Stalin style and we only have one candidate in total to vote for'

That sounds like the 172 who desperately tried to keep Corbyn off the ballet with their "rules is rules" mallarkey.

'Corbyn as I understand it owns a million pound plus house in Islington - is that OK? Is that socialist enough?'

You don't have to be homeless to be a socialist. Who cares what his London home is worth as it has increased over the years. It is his ideas that count, not his £1.50 vest from the local market or the value of his London home. Corbyn is trying to do his best for ordinary people, not for Blair and the millionaires.

I'm all over the place about this, I've been a Labour Party member for 10 years, I've never known a time when the party has been in such disarray, although it pains me to say it I wonder if this is as a result of JC's inability to 'get on' with the PLP or perhaps it's outside influences.. I am really in a quandary because in principle I agree with most of JC's views. I actually voted for Andy Burnham for leader at the time and would do again, also mourn the loss of Yvette Cooper from the shadow cabinet. Gah - I don't know, I do know that the party I love is about to be destroyed and this makes me sad and concerned in equal measures.

I've got it!!!!!

Finally worked out who the establishment are - it's anyone you don't like. Doh!

PS Kinnock snr was able to get enough nominations from MP's when Corbyn organised a coup - but that fact doesn't fit in the mindset Groupthink so ignore ignore ignore

'Pure' socialists don't believe in the ownership of property. A reason why Bob Crowe still lived in a council flat til he died.

'PS Kinnock snr was able to get enough nominations from MP's when Corbyn organised a coup'

Yes, and so was Tony Benn at that time. But now, the Establishment have such a tight grip on Labour and there are so few socialists in it, that a real socialist anti-war rebel against Blair and Mandelson struggles to get enough MPs to vote for him. Times have changed. the stooges are in Parliament and won't nominate a socialist, but the members have joined in record numbers and elected a socialist as leader above the Establishmentarians.

But Kinnock was the leader!

What is a socialist in your view? What model do you prefer? I actually thought you preferred Marie Le Pen's Fascism so whilst I am very aware that both models have similarities I am wondering if you just prefer an authoritarian system.

' I do know that the party I love is about to be destroyed and this makes me sad and concerned in equal measures.'

There is a battle for the soul of the Labour Party. It had to happen. Tory Blair took over the Labour party and scrapped clause 4 and went to war in Iraq and followed a Thatcher-lite policy. As Ken Livingstone says, real socialists were notable to be selected for seats due to the party preferring approved candidates.

After two election defeats over tory-lite policies and manifestos, Labour activists and socialists had enough and joined in record numbers to make sure that no more Tory-lite Establishment candidates could take over and lose yet another election. They voted for a socialist in record numbers and Corbyn was elected in a landslide and it stunned the Establishment and the world. It was a sign of teh dissatisfaction with the status quo.

Nine months later, the stooges have been plotting to overthrow Corbyn and reinstate Establishment approved policies once again.

The media, the press, every bigwig and lobbyist and Establishmentarian are all backing teh anyone but Corbyn candidate. They don't care if it is Owen Smith, Angela Eagle or Mickey Mouse, as long as Mickey is not a socialist.

The outcome will determine teh future of British politics. Will we have a real socialist alternative that enthuses millions of young people and the working class and middle class or will we go back to Establishment approved Tory-lite and will the real Tories win again and again?

'I actually thought you preferred Marie Le Pen's Fascism '

You keep telling me that simply because I quoted Le Pen's statement that "Brexit was the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall". I don't know what Marine Le Pen's policies are, but some of them are bound to be anti-globalisation socailist policies and nationalisation just like some of Corbyn's.

Personally I prefer the Norway model of socialism but I guess that as this is not generally authoritarian this won't do for you Claig

I really don't think the word socialist should be used as a label and definition unless you actually understand what you mean by this. Fascism is slightly easier to use as tbh there really aren't very many models to look at - there may be a reason for that

Nope - I say that re Le Pen as you said there were only two policies you didn't agree with - one I think was regarding Climate change same as Nigels

claig wants a real man of the people like Farage (who s/he admires so much) to be Labour leader.

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Ha ha ha.

And there is the rub - you have now in a sentence linked Corbyns policies and Le Pens. So it is the authoritarian aspect that appeals

Which model do you prefer?

But Corbyn is not a fascist, he is a socialist. The Establishment and the 172 tell us that "he is a bully", but lots of people don't believe them.

As COrbyn says "I don't do personal abuse" and as he repeatedly asks the 172, "please, stop you sniping"

claig - Corbyn is one of the elite. He is one of those useless politicians who have never 'had a real job' that Farage (whom you love) keeps railing against.

Remember?

And what Corbyn says and Corbyn does are two entirely different things, as we all know.

'Don't rebel against me or I'll deselect you' says the man who rebelled a record 537 times.

Ha ha ha.

'Which model do you prefer?'

I prefer democracy, where an elected leader, voted in by a landslide with the largest mandate in UK history, is allowed to stand for reelection against any Establishmenatrian that wants to stand against him.

I like Corbyn because he is not "authoritarian" and will not remove our civil liberties like Oxbridge Establishment Blair wanted to do with his Big Brother biometric ID cards and DNA databases. I like liberty, fairness and democracy which is why I prefer Corbyn to the authoritarian Blairites..

Of course Corbyn is a bully. He just others like Momentum to do his dirty work for him.

"I like Corbyn because he is not "authoritarian""

Er - how does that fit with 'Do what I say or i'll deselect you?'

''Don't rebel against me or I'll deselect you' says the man who rebelled a record 537 times.'

Yes, but Corbyn was rebelling to stop war and some of these people voted against the Iraq Enquiry, voted for war and voted for bombing Syria, to the standing ovation of Tory MPs.

For all his faults, Blair was famed for his focus groups.

You can criticise Blair for many things, but failing to consult with the electorate over policy is not one of them.

No waay Corbyn was rebelling to stop war 537 times.

He rebelled over over bloody thing.

He was a serial pain in the arse. For 30 years.

What's sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander, or he's an utter hypocrite as well as an utter incompetent and utter fool.

'Er - how does that fit with 'Do what I say or i'll deselect you?''

I think it has got to the stage where the public is fed up of watching this shower of an opposition who can only spin and snipe and call the leader a "bully". Corbyn is right to say "please, I beg of you, stop your sniping" but Corbyn now needs to act as well as he has been elected leader in a landslide. He has to lead.

I mean socialist model - as you are very passionate about socialism it seems (many models are authoritarian) .

The LP is not A democracy btw. It is a party with democratic processes that include votes of no confidence

I could again describe that leaders are ultimately responsible for the culture including bullying etc but I suspect Groupthink has that on the ignore ignore list ....sigh

'For all his faults, Blair was famed for his focus groups. '

Are you referring to the focus groups consisting of Murdoch and News International employees?

The biggest focus group was the 2 million people who marched against the Iraq War and Blair ignored them.