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with the terrible history Jews have, why is Israel behaving like this?

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ssd · 20/07/2014 23:22

I would have thought they would be showing more compassion for a repressed minority but the opposite is happening

and Netanyahu saying they told the Palestinians to leave because they were going to be fired on...where the bloody hell would they go to?? IF THEY COULD GO AT ALL

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mathanxiety · 27/07/2014 23:52

I am actually engaged in pointing out the hypocrisy of other people here, Runes.

The big picture that you seem to have missed is that NI is a part of Britain, and policies there were either rubber stamped by Britain (before direct rule) or directly administered afterwards.

MT, the harshest of British PMs when it came to NI, who succeeded in NI because she stated openly that she didn't give a toss about global public opinion, was re-elected how many times?

Now you can argue that nobody liked MT all you like, but you will search long and hard for evidence that her NI policy was opposed by any political party in Britain. In fact, MT continued the policy she inherited from Labour (Ulsterisation).

Successive British governments in NI carried out their policies safe and secure in the knowledge that nobody in Britain would be interested enough to protest.

British people supported successive British governments in NI. It seems to me the reason for that was that British people were well able to understand that what they were dealing with was real, live, three-dimensional terrorists.

I suggest that closer acquaintance with Hamas would reveal they are also three-dimensional.

babbas · 28/07/2014 00:02

And this math is why on other threads everyone stopped engaging with you.

You are the master of always spectacularly missing the point.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 00:09

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mathanxiety · 28/07/2014 00:10

My point here is that Hamas are three dimensional terrorists.

Are you denying that?

mathanxiety · 28/07/2014 00:14

And correct me if my chronology here is wrong, but I thought people stopped engaging me after dark hints that there was some sort of politically connected troll at work here?

Mind you, I suspect behind those insinuations was apoplexy on the part of armchair warriors in full sail who do not like to have their bubble popped, and prefer to type furiously in an echo chamber.

runes · 28/07/2014 00:18

math I'm well aware of where NI is what with living here and all, and I think you'll find that it's not part of britain but rather part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I'm going to regret asking this, but could you clarify what exactly you mean by three dimensional terrorists. And while we're at it could you just clarify whether you do indeed support the murderous actions of Israel, as your posts to date appear to suggest.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 00:21
runes · 28/07/2014 00:29

Oh and what on earth makes you think Thatcher was successful in NI? The Anglo Irish agreement was a disaster and she had fuck all to do with The Good Friday Agreement. She was gone in 1990 8 years before the GFA was signed.

runes · 28/07/2014 00:34

Oh and I would suggest that most British people actually knew very little about what was really going on in NI, Bloody Sunday, shoot to kill, state collusion. Cos guess what, the media were a bit biased and there was no social media to balance the propaganda.

RonaldMcDonald · 28/07/2014 00:49

To an extent I agree with math
Sorting out the NI 'problem' became much more pressing when the 'troubles' made their way back to the shores of GB. The ring of steel and the bombs that went off in GB had a way of focussing Parliament's mind that killing thousands of people in NI somehow failed to do.

Looking at it from say a IRA friendly US viewpoint the struggle for freedom from the British occupiers in Ireland was a real or just fight
For the everyday people in NI it was just atrocious
To those sympathisers it would seem that perhaps any means would justify the end...so perhaps they would have viewed bombing campaigns on GB as justifiable, who knows

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 01:03

So it was "pressing" in 1970.

Took a long time then.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 01:04

So it was "pressing" in 1970.

Took a long time then.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 01:04

So it was "pressing" in 1970.

Took a long time then.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 01:04

So it was "pressing" in 1970.

Took a long time then.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 01:04

So it was "pressing" in 1970.

Took a long time then.

RonaldMcDonald · 28/07/2014 01:17

Escalated hugely from v late 80s onward

mathanxiety · 28/07/2014 04:30

Three dimensional terrorists are not the plucky, one-dimensional Palestinian terrorists that feature in the imagination of so many posters on this thread, Runes.

mathanxiety · 28/07/2014 05:18

Were there no reports on the news that piqued their curiosity?
No Irish newspapers on sale?
Were there no Irish people in Britain to set British people straight?
Could it be that for one reason or another Irish people felt it might be better to keep their mouths firmly shut about political matters?

Or could it be that Irish people were not too popular in Britain, being Irish and all, and didn't always get the chance to mix with their British neighbours, if they ever managed to acquire British neighbours...

No Irish No Blacks No Dogs.

DogCalledRudis · 28/07/2014 08:13

But it wasn't like the Irish were not allowed to use a road or cross it because they're not British.

roundandround51 · 28/07/2014 10:31

Mathan you appear to be really confused re Ireland and NI.

Anyways its actually quite irrelevant to the current scenario, as bad as successive UK and NI governments were and as violent as the IRA were, they didn't hold a candle to Israel and Hamas.

I think the Israelis have gone over to the dark side where conscience means nothing and because of a horrific event 70 years ago, they believe they can do what they want to defend themselves.
Hamas simply don't care about their people but really what should they do - sit back and watch Israel drive them from their homes, because ultimately this is what Israel want.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 10:36

Look up and see how successful it has been at diverting discussion away from the actions of the racist state of Israel.

PigletJohn · 28/07/2014 10:38

What do you think of the Jimmy Carter interview?

Rhianna1980 · 28/07/2014 11:00

You can say as much as you want about Hamas, Palestinian propaganda this , propaganda that, BUT no one can deny the extortionately disproportionate number of innocent casualties and babies of these poor Palestinians. Numbers speak louder than any argument on here!

Israeli sympathisers : Have some shame and decency and stop defending this violent state of Israel. For once, have some respect for the innocent dead and for the injured who will never live normally anymore. Put yourself in their shoes.

Pangurban · 28/07/2014 11:25

That was very interesting, Piglet. Puts to the fore that the Israelis are invading the West Bank at this very moment. This is even worse than the situation in the Ukraine (where there are lots of pro-russian, even if they were settled there from Russia historically) and the US and Europe's differing attitudes and condemnation.

I think the link I put earlier from the Robert Fisk in The Belfast Telegraph relates to land being an issue.

roundandround51 · 28/07/2014 11:34

Israel simply wont stop until Palestine is annihilated. Look at how much land they have taken over the past 70 years. If they had stuck with the original partition then maybe the 2 countries could have existed side by side but that's impossible now so they are going to try and take it all.

I think that this will come back and bite them in a big way and they will pay the price for being so hostile.

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