Why are ukip so bad?

[Jumblebee]

Apologies for the thread title, it probably makes me seem very thick and uninformed (although I am!)

I have read a lot on mumsnet about ukip and the general consensus of them is that they're idiots and so are the people voting for them. From what I've read on google I've only found information about them wanting to abolish inheritance tax and national insurance, but of course many of the pages on the Internet have not detailed all their policies.

I'm afraid to say I have no clue about politics and have ashamedly never voted before. Everytime I see someone posting on Facebook I about how they support ukip my first thought is "silly", just from what I've read on mumsnet.

Could someone please list their policies for me? I have heard that they are for scrapping maternity leave and holiday pay but I've not read anything about this on google. Basically I'm just wanting to know why the major population of mumsnet hate ukip, so that I feel justified in my opinion of "silly" ukip supporters!

I'd rather be all in it together than thick as thieves with Mr Putin if i'm honest.

'I don't think it is any accident that the rise of UKIP is happening just as WWII is falling out of living memory.'

What you should be looking at is WWI and the centenary of WWI, not WWII, and you should take account of the BBC documentaries about WWI and the push to say that it was a patriotic war and was not pointless and question what some "toadies" are saying and then you should look at what is happening in Ukraine and remember Farage's wise words.

'I'd rather be all in it together than thick as thieves with Mr Putin if i'm honest.'

I'd rather be independent and not be forced to go along with what the unaccountable, unelected Brussels bureaucrats and bankers decide. And if the polls are right, then it seems that there may be a landslide for independence and national sovereignty and Farage and UKIP.

I am looking at WWI, as I said, as well as WWII. I'm looking at WWI when a tangle of alliances and an upsurge of multiple European nationalisms plus an increasingly powerful militarism caused a global disaster. I agree with you that the situation in Ukraine is highly dangerous but I don't agree that that situation would be tickety boo if we were out of the EU.

Can you not see the puppets? Do you not see that they all have to do the same thing? Do you not see that no one can act independently except for Farage? Did you not see how puppets attacked Farage when he said what he said about Ukraine.

We are lucky we live in a democracy where the people are sovereign and it will be the peope who decide who rules us, not the "media toadies".

Hitchens says

I have taken a close interest in British politics since I was a schoolboy , and I have never seen a more disgraceful alliance between politicians and their media toadies than the one that has been secretly made to do down UKIP.

Hitchens used to be a Moscow correspondent. He won the "Orwell Prize"
He knows of what he speaks and has seen it with his eyes.

I've seen quite a lot of alliances between politicians and the media along the way. Haven't you?

It's a pretty odd 'disgraceful alliance' that puts a smiling picture of Mr Farage on the front pages three or four times a week. This so-called alliance is no bother to Mr Farage. He's available for a quote any time of the day or night to any journalist as he knows that at this stage the vital thing is to be talked about, in any way at all. In the unlikely event of UKIP actually achieving some power and doing something with it, watch the shutters come down, because the way the media treats established parties is far more damaging to them.

Peter Oborne, one of our few independent voices left, certainly no "media toadie", on the Telegraph, spelt it out, just like independent Hitchens did too.

"Now that Mr Farage can no longer be ignored, he is sneered at instead . Even so, it looks possible that next week he will come top in the national vote. This will be a truly astounding achievement. No political party in modern history – not even Neil Kinnock’s Labour in 1987 – has come under such sustained attack and misrepresentation . Mr Kinnock at least had The Guardian and the Daily Mirror; Mr Farage cannot boast a single national title, and several papers are running vendettas against him. Mr Kinnock was treated reasonably fairly by the broadcast media. This is not the case with Mr Farage: consider the lacerating contempt shown towards him by Channel 4 News and its chief presenter, Jon Snow . Nick Robinson, the BBC’s political editor, has also abandoned his usual fairness when dealing with the party."

Farage was against the Euro, against the EU, against a strike on Syria and against the consensus on Ukraine. He is against the consensus of open door immigration from the EU. Farage is no puppet, he is independent and that is why they are all against him.

' This so-called alliance is no bother to Mr Farage. '

Of course it isn't. Because toadies and puppets are no match for Farage, because it is the people who are behind Farage as the polls consistently show. No toady can beat the people. No toady is a match for the people. They will roll out radio interviewers who want to make a name for themselves and gain promotion by trying to do Farage down, but nothing will dent Farage because the people are with him. That is why Cleggy floundered and so will the rest flounder too.

The toadies are all fighting among themsleves to be the first one to bring Farage down. Their contempt, their spin, their insults know no bounds as they vie to be the first one to bring Farage down so that they can claim their career rewards from their masters. But Farage is too smart for them because he tells the truth and they tell lies. Spin is all they know and Farage and the people know that only too well.

Sunday will tell us who won - the people or the toadies.

They know that Farage is popular and they wish the people liked them half as much as they like Farage. They know the people like the fact that Farage has a fag and a pint just like ordinary people do. So now you can see them all using the same term to describe Farage - a term told to the puppets by their teenage spinners from public schools. They "all in it together" call him "beer-swilling" in a desperate attempt to dent his popular appeal - of which they have none.

But the more they call Farage "beer-swilling", the more the people like him, because it reminds the people of how they were "trough swilling".

Goodnight.

Goodnight

OK, given that no-one got who they voted for at the last election
And that most MPs are pretty smug and not very interested in us
And that career politicians are, well, career politicians
And that the civil service run everything anyway

If there turns out to be a massive vote for UKIP, it might, just might, have the 3 'main' parties scared shitless. That isn't a bad thing. Might as well let them have a go at messing everything up.

TBH, I think until we stop expecting our MPs to be young(ish) and photogenic(ish) we're just going to get more of the same. I don't want young(ish) go-getters representing me. I want someone whom I can look up to, someone who's had a lot of experience and might have developed some sagacity and even integrity. Most of the current twerps know less about life (and work) than I do.

"TBH, I think until we stop expecting our MPs to be young(ish) and photogenic(ish) we're just going to get more of the same. I don't want young(ish) go-getters representing me. I want someone whom I can look up to, someone who's had a lot of experience and might have developed some sagacity and even integrity. Most of the current twerps know less about life (and work) than I do."

Absolutely spot on.

They give us young twerps with shiny teeth because they treat us with contempt, just as the "media toadies" treat Farage with contempt. They think the people are so stupid that they will only listen to young, shiny toothed liars - that is part of their whole spin ethos. They think that young good-looking photogenic spinners will be able to spin us.

What they don't understand is that we want truth, not lies and spin.

Like Farage or not, he is popular because he is the antithesis of spin. He is everything they are against, he says things they dare not say such as over Ukraine, and that is why the people give him a higher trust rating in polls than any one of the spinners.

Will spin come back and answer my question on the permissibility of Greek donors?

Well, UKIP are against rights for minorities like women, homosexuals, transgenders, and people of different ethnics. So yes, I would NEVER vote for them