Why are ukip so bad?

[Jumblebee]

Apologies for the thread title, it probably makes me seem very thick and uninformed (although I am!)

I have read a lot on mumsnet about ukip and the general consensus of them is that they're idiots and so are the people voting for them. From what I've read on google I've only found information about them wanting to abolish inheritance tax and national insurance, but of course many of the pages on the Internet have not detailed all their policies.

I'm afraid to say I have no clue about politics and have ashamedly never voted before. Everytime I see someone posting on Facebook I about how they support ukip my first thought is "silly", just from what I've read on mumsnet.

Could someone please list their policies for me? I have heard that they are for scrapping maternity leave and holiday pay but I've not read anything about this on google. Basically I'm just wanting to know why the major population of mumsnet hate ukip, so that I feel justified in my opinion of "silly" ukip supporters!

Cameron backed Maria Miller too. Can't he get it? Doesn't he understand or doesn't he care? The people want him to be "on our side", to put the people first.

So will Farage put the people first?

Oh yes, as long as those people are not female, pregnant, ill, disabled, of non-British parentage/grandparentage or belong in any other such undesirable category

'So will Farage put the people first?'

That is what the people are all hoping. That is why UKIP are now the most popular party in Britain and Farage is Britain's most popular leader. That is why as Peter Oborne said "Dickens would have loved him". People hope he will do it. They don't know, they can't say, but they have not lost hope.

UKIP has approx 30% of the public supporting them now. They include people of all sexes, all races, all ages and all incomes.

It's just a shame Ukip don't do what the taxpayer pays them to do

MEP salary of £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,500 a month allowance paid into their personal account whether they've claimed it or not.

"Ukip MEPs are laziest in Europe, missing a third of debates as Cameron warns UK needs politicians who will 'turn up'"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626937/Ukip-MEPs-laziest-Europe-missing-debates-Cameron-warns-UK-needs-politicians-turn-up.html
• Ukip ranked bottom in league table of 76 parties from across the EU
• On average its MEPs turned up for just 61.1% of votes over five years
• Lib Dems best UK party with more than 3 MEPs, attending 87% of votes
• David Cameron says European Parliament elections 'do matter'

Pretty much PROOF that Farage and his traveling 'merry men', put THEMSELVES first.

"Ukip MEPs are laziest in Europe, missing a third of debates as Cameron warns UK needs politicians who will 'turn up"

Poor old Cameron and his Eton spinners. They just don't get it. People don't want the chums' MEPS to turn up and claim their daily allowances (like the chums in the House of Lords do) just so they can turn out laws that the Brussels elite want passed - such as scrapping of our healthy incandescent lightbulbs and replacing them with mercury filled "environmentally friendly" ones that can pose some health risks.

Turn up and turn out more rooftop wind turbines.

Give the people who elect the chums a referendum. Not just on Europe, but as UKIP seem to be saying on local issues that gain more than 5% support. Consult the people, not the chums and the cronies.

Pur power back into the hands of local people. Have local referendums on lots of issues. Bring in proportional representation and reinvigorate our political system and increase public confidence and participation. Take power out of the hands of the professional career politicians from public schools and put power back into the hands of the people.

Let people decide how their taxpayer money should be spent in referendums, not the chums and luvvies in sofa government. Then maybe we could start to fix our country, eliminate foodbanks and look after people in hospitals and care homes instead of blowing our money on the crazy schemes of bureaucrats, bigwigs and chums.

remember how Gordon Brown treated one of his supporters. The lady who spoke up about her concerns about immigration

I think you make some sensible points Claig.

"Public's faith in politicians hits record low despite David Cameron pledge to restore trust"

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/public-faith-politicians-hits-record-2296348

Why? Because the people have been let down time and time again. And the public trusts Farage according to polls more than they do any other politician. But you woud never guess that if you listened to the spinners, luvvies and chums on TV.

So have you UKIP supporters watched or listened to NF getting ANNIHiLATED on the LBC interview yesterday? Watch it and weep.

alemci, you are right.

The British people are not racist (which is what the commentariat, spinners, luvvies and chums all accuse them of being). The British people just want the country fixed and they have lost trust in the entire political class to do anything about it as they blow £4m of our public money on the Ethiopian Spice Girls instead of dredging rivers that would have saved the livelihoods, homes and businesses of ordinary hardworking people.

The British people are not racist. UKIP supporters, some who also happen to be British, are.

'UKIP supporters, some who also happen to be British, are.'

UKIP has approx 30% of the public backing them. Are they all racists? Are they all fruitcakes? Are they all loons?

Racists or stupid, yes. I can't see how anyone intelligent can support UKIP.

By intelligent I include capable of reading a manifesto and remembering a few basic history facts. Able to look beyond someone's skin colour etc.

Anyhow, claig, you only pop up on threads like this to goad and I won't engage with you. There's gorgeous weather and my kids' activity has just finished. Watch that LBC interview. Open your eyes, open your mind.

That sounds a bit like the Labour elite team of luvvies who look down on the people.

You think 30% of the public are either racist or stupid. Well those 30% have had enough of an elite class of career politicians who have ignored them, insulted them and spun them while claiming bath plugs and biscuits off of them and allowing our NHS to suffer scandals where thousands of people died needlessly and far too early.

'Watch that LBC interview'

I watched it. I don't follow the Guardian consensus about James O'Brien's interview.

"You think 30% of the public are either racist or stupid"

Well, that's not a massive stretch, given that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence.

I was amused to see a survey of UKIP supporters, saying 80% of them don't think it's a racist party. So 1 in 5 UKIP supporters do think it's racist, are prepared to admit that in a survey, and it doesn't put them off.

most people you come across in everyday life do have concerns about immigration. For example the primary school up the road is expanding to 3 form. more cars and chaos in the morning from Sept. great, how wonderful.

doesn't make people racist to not want so many people entering the UK with limited resources.

on QT an audience member questioned issues with housing, it was glossed over. the politicians seem out of touch.

the affordable housing we are being told we must build, blow the green belt, who will get it?

So people complain about directives made in Brussels,but don't care enough to send someone who would actually represent them there? That doesn't make any sense.

Alemci - don't worry about the extra cars at the school gates. Aren't all immigrants too lowly and poor to afford them? They're the 'wrong' sort of people according to UKIP.

its irritating whoever they belong to.

"So people complain about directives made in Brussels,but don't care enough to send someone who would actually represent them there? That doesn't make any sense."

The real reason for that is because the people think that the politicians and political parties are "all in it together" and that none of them listen to the people or care what the people think. The people think that the parties think that the people are "stupid" etc, "fruitcakes", "swivel-eyed loons" etc and therefore the people have lost faith in anything changing or anyone listening to them.

The people no longer trust the spinners and professional career pollitician class. They know they are being spun and lied to and they know that the media are "in it all together" too. That is why the people have suddenly turned en masse to UKIP, because they think that UKIP are different, that they are "one of us" and are not "in it together" with the establishment who all attack them and call them "fruitcakes".

So the establishment spinners latest tactic is to tell the people that UKIP are also the political class and are exactly the same as the spinners and claim the same expenses as the spinners claim etc. except that they "don't trun up" and that the people should be grateful for the spinners who do "turn up". But it is not working, because for now the people believe that UKIP are different and are "one of us" and not "one of them" and the people don't care about the "turning up", because they want to turn them all out.

The political class are arrogant and think the people are stupid. That is why we are in such a bad state.

Peter Oborne spells it out in the Telegraph

"Meanwhile, British party democracy has collapsed , along with the post-war economic model. All political leaders have embarked on a muddled and pitiful attempt to discover fresh modes of leadership and political expression."

and Natalie Bennet of the Greens said that British two-party system is "broken".

It is very bad news, because it means that the people are losing faith because they are not being properly represented.

The political class have to start respecting the people and start listening to them. But can they? They are so divorced from ordinary people with their perks and expenses and feeling that lots of the people are "fruitcakes".

The only way to solve it is to devolve power back to the people, to bring in a proportioanl system where people start to believe that their views and opinions count. The spinners will have to move aside and let the people have their say. But will the elite allow this to happen?

UKIP has approx 30% of the public supporting them now. They include people of all sexes, all races, all ages and all incomes.

No they don't. This is more of your fantasies.

Please provide a link showing the demographics of UKIP support to support a roughly even distribution of supporters from all sexes, races, ages, and income.

Otherwise, please stop spouting your fantasies as fact.