Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

A lot of people are totally disillusioned with all parties. Lib dems - waste of time. Milliband a total pain in the neck. Cameron is better but would I vote for him possibly but probably not. I know we don't vote for PM's here but the leader of the party is so important. Labour get rid of Miliband or else they will lose the election but they won't because he will have to lose the election before they can get rid of him. So I'm told.

You're Pickles/rottweiler analogy is spot on - the breed is large, dense, has a loud and annoying bark, a viscious and destructive bite and produces huge amounts of noxious crap.

In that case, I appear to have used the wrong analogy.

Claig…of course people affected are angry, but even the majority of them know inside that Cameron can not stop the sea crashing on all the coasts and/or 250- year record rainfall would have got them wet anyway.

Again what was Ukip’s policy on this??????

Huge problems in this country, that Labour ideologically would NEVER have been allowed to fix so left them alone prior to 2010, ARE being fixed, and results are now starting to be seen and a £158 billion annual Labour overspend, is now £100 billion and still limiting spending options.

I know it don’t suit your mistruth peddling agenda, but as more and more results come through that the only other party that will form an administration in 2015 COULDN’T do – the more Ukip’s critical prattling looks both opportunist and stupid.

Ironmaiden…OF COURSE I’m serious about one-legged tattooed lesbians, someone has to stand up for them, why not the UK rainbow party who will say anything for a vote?

Look don’t take my Ukip criticisms personally, if the Monster Looney Party enjoyed Ukip supporters attempts at political mistruths and had success due to it, and/or influenced the outcome of an election’s results like in 2010, I’d be equally mad at them as I find it both dishonest and destructive – especially if the Conservative’s THEN get blamed by Ukip’s minions for following more liberal policies.

I understand politicians and their party’s exaggerate their remedies for UK prosperity, but the 2010 election was crucial to the future of this country and therefore a time for ‘state of the State’ (and remedy) honesty to enlarge the policy debate, NOT stifle it, waiting for after the general election to implement policies.

So as we approach 2015 it concerns me that political spin doctors, with snake oil remedies, are currently influencing political debates and probably the 2015 outcome – and while it seems a game to them, I am worried for the sake of the county, of the outcome, including coalitions of any kind.

I may not agree with them, but I respect any political party’s polices, as that tells me what the party and the person stands for. So while you might call the tearing up a manifesto your party gained those votes on, (influencing a general an European elections in the process), as “honesty” – I could not disagree more with you on that, and it tells me a lot about the character of both the party and leader

They certainly are rattled in tory HQ then!

And so they should be, UKIP is the most favourably regarded party. Even those who disagree with us entirely tend to respect our motives.

UKIP is just ordinary people who have realised that if they don't do something to fix the country then no-one is going to do it for them. Eventually we will take back power from the subreptile political classes. We are a party of plebs, who want our representatives to be plebs and act in the pleb's interests.

Regarding the floods though it was EU, and by extension tory, ibdem and labour policy to allow the Somerset levels to flood....

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84683

twitter.com/IshtarsGate/status/434127550776754176/photo/1

In the second link the huge red and beige area is that where..

"Take action to INCREASE flood risks strategically"
"Continue with existing actions but accept increased flood risks over time"

Apparently the ever so green Mr Cameron prefers his molluscs and welks to the people who live in the local areas. The bird sanctuary wasn't an accident of expenditure, the whole area was deemed to be best left to wetlands to increase biodiversity... Probably so that London people who like birds and molluscs didn't have to travel too far...

Compare the area I noted in the second link to this before and after shot...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-weather-somerset-levels-satellite-3142174

And it worked. The environment agency have been following this policy under all three of the liblabcons, indeed they threatened to put a limpet mine on all of the pumping stations to make it happen.

I guess Mr Cameron can be proud of that... Not that it would be any different under Miliband.

Yep, they're definitely rattled...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10637931/Wythenshawe-by-election-Cameron-promises-to-listen-to-Ukip.html

Why on earth would he want to listen to fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists?

Interestingly, most UKIP voters defect from Labour, not the Conservatives.

That's certainly my experience PlainBrownEnvelope.

People forget that Old labour was in favour of exiting the EU, and that Blairism was something put up with rather than welcomed. Heath of course was a tory and thatcher campaigned to remain in the EU.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukipwatch/100256765/meet-ukip-britains-most-working-class-party/

For some reason however the tories are utterly obsessed with UKIP, as though they alone have a right to our vote.

It's not a matter of too late Dave, it was never thus.... Frankly they are becoming delusional.

I think there's an odd link in the mind of people where anti-immigration= right wing= Tory, whereas actually the way to look at it is anti-immigration= protectionist= left wing, at least economically. Immigration is a very capitalist construct- gives supply and demand free reign in impacting wages, housing, education etc. The people most impacted by that are the low waged- Labours typical supporters. Rich people benefit from immigration more than they suffer.

And the big businesses are the biggest gainers of all.

Nothing better than to threaten your workforce with desperate peeps if they stubbornly refuse to tug their forelock.

The neo-liberal agenda for open borders only really benefits a small number of people who can sell their labour to the highest bidder anywhere in the world, or EU.

It certainly isn't a recipe for a happy family life.

Saying that if you're rich and your nanny, builder, plumber and Mercedes are cheaper then you'd be a big fan...

Spin….so you are saying that as the Conservative Party is THE only party that can bring the UK people a vote of the EU, but failed to get a parliamentary majority in 2010 because of just 26,000 Ukip votes across 20 or so key marginals - FOR THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY, Ukip should follow their EU principals - rather than try and lie their way to Westminster parliamentary seats?

I’d suggest THAT is the hand that the very polite Mr Cameron is offering you; vote Conservative to ensure an EU Referendum, rather than keep lying to your self and the voters that Ukip have it in their power to bring the Uk out of the EU.

Poor dave doesn't know what I know, Ukip members and voters don't care about any policies, or that Ukip is powerless to bring the Uk out of the EU - but Ukip's founder Alan Sked has your number, doesn't he? lol

There is no point bringing up Alan Skid. Things move on and change. Skid is gone and Farage is leader now. When Cameron took over the Tory Party there were about 300,000 members, now half of them have left. Gorn in 60 seconds.

Old leaders often have views that clash with those of a new leadership.

There was a leader of the Tories who didn't think highly of Thatcher, but the public preferred Thatcher to Heath, and I suspect the public prefer Farage to Skid.

Skid's gone from UKIP, the leadership has changed. But one thing remains the same - The Tory Party is on the skids.

Claig,

I only fed the troll a few minutes ago on a different thread. Let him enjoy himself, he's been taking quite a battering...

The only way the UK will ever get out of the EU is by electing a majority UKIP government.

Liblabcon are up to their necks in it.

A Ukip majority in the lower house of commons in Westminster, whats that 326 seats, versus your current zero seats, and necks, totally out of it?

To be then passed into law by the upper chamber, by your current two Lords?

What year are you pencilling this all in by, 2035? lol

Stop the nonsense, for the sake of the country rather than Ukip money men and political power wannabees, take Dave's offer to be allowed to vote Conservative - so we can vote on the EU by 2017, rather than wait for Ukip to get it's purple pooh together, some time after 2035.

Isitmebut

IF UKIP won a majority in the House of Commons and they put exit from the EU in their election manifesto the Salisbury Convention would apply. The Lords will not block anything that the public have voted on. IF UKIP won the UK would exit the EU.

They wouldn't need to win 326 seats given the number of Eurosceptic Tories, abstentions and Sinn Fein MPs.

UKIP have three Lords, BTW, not two.

TheHammaconda..."Ukip have three Lords not two"...really, I thought one either left or was pushed out. Still in Ukip bragging e.g. Wythenshawe, they have just had a 50% increase.lol

Interesting constitutional point on a Common's majority getting through the House of Lord's, as they just stopped a private members bill requesting a Referendum - and there was concern that if it did get through, a Labour government in 2015 could overturn it.

So the ONLY chance of a Referendum in 2017, is via a parliamentary majority held by the Conservatives, in the 2015 general election.

It's not a Commons majority, it's a manifesto pledge. If something is in the winning party's election manifesto the Lords will not block it. If the Monster Rving Loony Party won a majority on the pledge of making everyone wear fancy dress on Thursdays the Lords wouldn't block it.

The Hammaconda…excellent clarification.

If both the Conservatives, (Lib Dems, just in case) and Ukip ALL put the option of a UK yes/no vote on the EU via a Referendum on their 2015 manifesto, as ONLY A CONSERVATIVE administration could legislate and achieve a 2017 Referendum – voters wanting to both ‘protest’ and have a say on Europe in 2017 should vote for the The Monster Raving Looney Party - rather than risk the Conservatives loosing key marginals to pre EU Labour, due to few Ukip votes.

Dear me,

You do appear to be behind the times in CCHQ Isitmebut... Get someone to hand you a new crib sheet...

The referendum bill has been defeated in the Lords and Cameron has, according to the president of the EU, not even picked up the phone to renegotiate.

There has been no renegotiation, no talk of it, no quiet whispers or even a murmur.

What were the two things that Cameron promised just a year ago? What has he claimed has been going well? Recently, on TV? What did he tell the interviewer on Spanish TV who asked what he would do if we voted to get out?

If this is your best example of a tory policy in action... Words fail me. :)

Spin…what on earth are you talking about, yes the Labour and Lib Dem Lords have defeated the Private Members Referendum Bill, but if you just read a few posts up, there are more ways to skin a pro EU Lord and get the Uk an EU vote, Ukip could never provide, even in a month of elections.

Cameron for a while now has been speaking to the leaders of EU countries directly, rather than send a memo to the President e.g. reducing the EU budget he successfully achieved, but rumour has it Cameron has a few other things on his plate at the moment.

But did you get the memo the majority of voters want Cameron to renegotiate first?
www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/27/voters-david-cameron-eu-negotiation-poll

"David Cameron's strategy of renegotiating Britain's relationship with the EU is supported by most voters, with the prime minister seen as the best UK political leader to conduct the talks, according to a poll conducted for the Open Europe thinktank."

If Cameron cannot renegotiate EU terms to placate the public, then with the Referendum Ukip’s grandstanding to get votes is standing in the way off, you should be a happy bunny as they will then certainly vote ‘NO’. Although what then is the point of the one-trick-pony-party, called Ukip, and your little crusade?

Oh and to any notion that I work for Conservative Headquarters; I don’t think my ‘style’ would suit the 'nice' people there. lol

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata&v=sgF0RQlcQIs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsgF0RQlcQIs%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata&app=desktop

If that is a explicit picture of me with David Cameron in Tory HQ in a compromising position, I'll hold my hands up now. lol

Actually I'll never know as personally if a poster can not be bothered to title a link, especially from an unidentifiable source, I don't bother opening it.

Similar to Mr Farage and Oyster Cards, I don't trust them, and when in the past I did risk it, 10 times out of 10, it wasn't even worth the effort.

But that's me.

You might have to fill me in on Farage and Oyster cards.

(Sentences you never thought you'd type, No.3827...)

Isitmebut the man is not all the 'ticket', with his loud gob, they'll always know where he is.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-i-wont-buy-an-oyster-card-it-means-they-can-spy-on-me-8682925.html