Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

The EU budget increased....

So... This renegotiation is a secret one then is it? One of those where no-one has actually been to a single meeting or can recall talking to Cameron about it? This is a possibility admittedly....

Somewhat more likely of course is that he is merely lying.

Spin...The EU Budget DECREASED, it's history and Cameron was seen to drive that reform - you're a U-kipper, this is Europe, do try and keep up.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9856716/Victory-for-David-Cameron-as-EU-budget-faces-cuts-for-first-time-in-history.html

Several other reforms like the worker rights to cross border are being discussed with the major European players/leaders, Farage can't even see to insult them.

Do keep up..

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10397885/Governments-cave-into-EU-shutdown-threat-over-spending-increase.html

"The European Union has voted through £2.3 billion in new cash contributions from national treasuries in an emergency decision that takes the cost of Brussels overspends and shortfalls to over £12bn this year."

"Janusz Lewandowski, the EU's budget commissioner, blamed Britain, Germany and other countries for the crisis because they had tried to cap EU spending leading to "continuous under budgeting"."

Cameron drove it, did some grandstanding and failed. And has lied about it since.....

Spin….so correct me if I’m wrong, the leaders/countries of the EU DID cut the budget for the first time, but the bureaucratic monolith in Brussels, have overspent and needed emergency funding – like quangos here e.g. Hospital trusts, do on a regular basis and need extra help to bridge the gap?

As where does it say that the annual budget cut, has been reversed?

As if it hasn’t, Cameron has not lied, Brussels is having trouble adapting to a cut it has never known, and you are disingenuously choosing to come to your own conclusions. Now there would be a first. lol

Lol,

We paid £14.7 billion into the EU budget this year, last year it was £770 million less. That's a rise of 5.5%.

Not only did he lie, we've ended up paying almost 13% of the total rise! A £770 million pound lie. Really well over a billion if you include the amount he claimed we would save....

Do you think your town or city could do with an extra £15 million a year? What would that do for local infrastructure, bin collections, lighting and creches?

On average that is what every town sends to the EU every year, plus a proportion of the VAT raised on purchases.

In my local area the council's budget is just under £50 million a year. Imagine what they could do with £65 million...

So show where it officially says that the EU budget did not rise as per the agreement Cameron and other leaders believe they put together - as I 'get' Brussels needed 'cash management' help, but that can come from other sources.

And as for what we have get out of the EU in terms of trade etc, I have never seen a serious study of the financial benefits, including regional grants.

As we are currently 'in', the other study I want to see is how much it will cost to leave.

All of which we will get via a referendum if the Conservatives win the 2015 general election, if Ukip don't help screw it up, as in 2010

If Labour win in 2015, there will be no in/out or pros/cons discussion, we stay IN

The Tory scum will never win a majority again, Isitmebut.

Give it up.

They're a party of and for the past. Nobody wants to return to the Victorian age except a handful of reactionary old bigoted rich white men.

Clearly ideology is truly both rude and ignorant of the facts before it; if you think the Conservatives let ‘the people’ down, you aren’t paying attention to the FACTS on the incompetence of Labour, who is the only other alternative in 2015.

Rule of thumb if people like you have to spread mistruths about one party and disingenuously ignore the record of Old/New Labour, one of us is more worried about that truth, than what party is economically sustainable for the country.

The only difference between 1979 and 2010, was in 1979 the voters saw both the destructive policies that called the IMF out in 1976 to bail us out AND the consequences. Whereas in 2010 Labour as the government of the day who got us into the mess, in the biggest act of political cowardice in decades, chose NOT to spell out the tough measures needed for a responsible government.

As to Labour getting back in 2015, you are probably right, and THEN they will finish ‘the economic road to Greece’ they started, and ONLY THEN will ‘the people’ see their mistake. Unfortunately as most of the policy heavily lifting has already been done, it will take the full term for the people to see how much pooh they are in – but by then they will see it as the new jobs and investment disappear and interest rates shoot up as investors run from funding our national debt.

In 1997 Brown hit the country with taxes he didn’t mention prior to the election i.e. on personal and company private pensions and multiplying the Home (purchase) Stamp Tax AND sold 40% of our gold reserves at a 20-year low price – what taxes and sales will 2015 Labour hide until AFTER they win THAT election?

It's a bit like watching three lepers bickering over who is the prettiest....

We know that Labour are scumbags, we know that the lib dems are scumbags and we know the tories are scumbags. Frankly arguing that 'they' are scummier just makes you look like a scumbag.

You evidently don't know what regional grants are... We give lots of money to the EU, who then give some of it back to us as grants.

Those roadsigns that proudly proclaim that this and that was funded by the EU regional development fund should say ,"We nicked £1 through your VAT and gave you back 30p". Or didn't you know that VAT was a EU tax?

It is our money, the EU generates no income for itself. None. Zilch. Nada.

You also clearly don't understand trade if you think we get anything out of the EU.

The Brussels Berlin wall is just a car boot sale run by your postman. Trading at the car boot sale is free ( except the entry fee) but if you try to trade by post, with someone other than your neighbours, the postman nicks 10% of it. We have to buy from our neighbours or pay high tarifs from anywhere else in the world. We set up some exceptions in 1972, Lamb from New Zealand and bananas from the Caribbean etc but these are the exceptions that proof the rule.

Technically it is a customs union, and one designed to protect European industries from the rigors of international competition. It treats all EU states as though they were the same country, hence EU internal trade is 'free'* but international trade ( about 11%+ of our trade ) carries customs charges. This makes sense for South Africa and Swaziland ( as Swaziland is almost landlocked by South Africa) but none for a nation whose traditional role is seafaring trade across the globe.

Whilst car boot sales are fun, and the organisers think they are brilliant, I prefer Ebay myself. Especially when I can trade with my cousins around the world who speak the same language and uphold the same values. I'd also rather like to help out developing nations by buying their products, though due to the tarifs most don't bother even advertising.

The EU controls our borders, our trade agreements and our customs tarifs. We cannot strike independent trade deals, we cannot circumvent the tarifs and we cannot stop 500 million people coming here should they wish to.

When we first joined the main price paid was giving up our fishing grounds, along with a, at the time, relatively modest monetary contribution. These are now entirely controlled by the EU so whilst Norway and Iceland have booming and highly profitable fishing industries our fleet are told where they can go and what they can catch whilst the European fleets just ignore the rules.

Whilst EU ports and villages freely plunder our fish stocks, our ports and villages become benefit traps or shabby tourist locations.

Whilst Cameron can bluster about vetoing the EU budget, the unelected commissioners just push through an increase and the net beneficiary countries ( most of them) vote it through.

He can bluster about bringing net immigration down too ( which is a favourable figure for him given the number of Brits who emigrate every year ) but cannot do anything about it.

He can also pretend that the ONS immigration figures are definitive, however they are merely based on chaps with clipboards asking people at ports and airports to fill a questionnaire in. They are in fact designed for the tourism industry. If someone asked him what the net migration figures are the only honest answer would be that no-one knows. We don't count them.

He can bluster about his famous renegotiation - Except that the EU president hasn't heard a whisper from him.

He can witter about a referendum, except that he voted against one in 2011, lied about his cast iron pledge before the 2010 election and told Spanish TV that he would simply ignore a vote to leave.

He can even claim to be making tough decisions, but Ms Reding, the vice President of the EU tells us that 70% of ours laws already come from Brussels to be rubber stamped. No tough decisions there then.

So what is he doing?

• Except it isn't free. Try selling your lamb in France. Most importantly in order to do any form of business you have to comply with EU laws. Hence the 80% of our trade which represents our domestic market ( your shopping in Tesco etc) is thwarted with near infinite regulations which apply to the 9% of trade which we export to the EU.

I watched PMQs yesterday.

Miliband's questions were mainly about the floods and what he calls 'climate change' and what he calls 'deniers'.

Andrew Neil afterwards asked Chris Grayling and a Labour MP on the Daily Politics show, why were there no questions about what has happened in Ukraine, a huge international event which may affect all of us. Andrew Neil was amazed that our Parliament was now so parochial that they were discussing what they call "climate change denial" instead of the political earthquake of the overthrow of the President of Ukraine and what this may mean for Russia's relationship with the West.

I think it is because the EU decides policy over Ukraine, and our Parliament doesn't. It is above our heads, all we have to do is dig into our wallets.

Nice to see Mrs Merkel doing her bit for UKIP today

Angela can run rings round them lot of them and not even break a sweat.

Unfortunately nonmifairidere you couldn't be more right.

The German equivalent of UKIP has..... a somewhat harder time of things.

Spin….re the Germans and their acceptance of dodgy political ideology, pre 2ndWW the German’s were heavily into communism, but there was something about the experience of having the Red Army entering Berlin after the fall, and raping the men and killing the women, that made them very wary of false leaders spouting lies on what they could realistically deliver to ‘the people’.

Germany has not done badly within the EU via trade, but can only become economically stronger if the EU reforms. But if their timetables for reforms are longer than ours, so what, the people here get to vote in/out on what they see, only via the Conservatives in 2017 – that is if Ukip does not get in the way

BTW I’ve just scanned your last big piece of…well….spin….and see nothing new, so lets just look at THE BASIC FACTS;

Even if Ukip won every UK MEP Seat, or held EVERY European Parliament seat and UKIP COULD STILL NOT BRING THE UK OUT OF THE EU, as MEP’s cannot change UK law the Brown signing of the Lisbon Treaty entered into, so Ukip continues to lie to the UK electorate if still indicating they can.

Still SOME people in Ukip tell the truth, it’s a shame Janice (in the link below) doesn’t post on here

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/24/ukip-eu-exit-take-years

“Ukip will have to negotiate a withdrawal from the European Union over many years and the party still has to work out the details of how it would secure such an exit, a leading Ukip MEP candidate in May's European elections has conceded”.

“Janice Atkinson, who is number two on the party's candidate list in the South East England constituency, admitted it would be impossible just to walk away from the EU.”

“Her remarks at a public meeting in Brighton last week underline the extent to which key details of Ukip policy have yet to be developed.”

Regarding Cameron’s cast iron guarantee about the in/out EU referendum that was prior to Brown’s signing of the Lisbon Treaty, that finally ENTERED US INTO THE EU, which I repeat once signed and our membership of the EU entered UK law, Cameron would need a Parliamentary majority to do so, which voters for Ukip, believing Ukip’s lies, stopped him getting in 2010.

The fact remains a vote for Ukip in April’s MEP elections just puts a highly taxpayer paid bigot into the European Parliament who don’t want it to exist, who CANNOT represent our interests, especially important if the Conservatives DON’T get a majority in 2015, where we are GUARANTEED TO STAY ’IN’ for at least another 5-years, getting deeper into a European super state.

Ukip can only stand in the way of the people NOT getting a Referendum and the Uk not being a member of an emerging inefficient super state, IF they don't want that..

www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/articles/2382-cameron-admits-he-wont-honour-an-out-vote-in-a-referendum

"Question. In case of a victory of itself in the referendum that will organize on the output of the EU , would you be willing to leave the Union?

Answer. I would not."

Sorry Spinflight...whether you have managed to find the "Convert links Automatically" an inch below your message box or not, as I've mentioned before, I 'don't do' what I found to be (and have labelled in the past) 'half wit websites' – as that tends to be their output, trying to get a following by coming up with ‘out their’ box stories.

Look I understand that you are desperate to show that Ukip, politically, has some ‘value added’ reason to exist other than as a protest party, so it would suit you to be the only Uk party that would bring the UK out of the EU - at some time many years from now, when Ukip holding a majority in the English Parliament, you could make decision ‘on behalf of the State’ e.g Article 50, giving notice to leave.

But the fact is this country has to rely on the Conservatives to give the people an unambiguous CHOICE, via a yes/no referendum.

So if you are trying to say that a Conservative (or any other) UK Prime Minister would hold a referendum and if the country voted to leave, he/she would still stay in, you are seriously worried the Ukip scam has been rumbled and grasping at (half witted) straws.

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Quite a protest group, 19% in the Opinium poll this morning.

Puts the tories on 29%, want to bet the tables will be at least turned come 2015?

We attract voters from across the spectrum, the tories lose them in droves.

I have heard it said that there is no way the tories can get a majority if UKIP take more than 4% of the popular vote, and this from a tory analysis. 69% of UKIP voters say they won't vote for anyone else ( Ashcroft's findings ) so you do the maths.

We're one of the big boys now, and we really don't mind if we destroy the three old, failed, parties. Most of us would take great pleasure in it, as would 40% of the electorate who say they 'hate' the tories.

Your nightmares are our dreams, sleep well. :)

Down with the party of privilege and down with the petite-fascists.

Absolutely, and up with UKIP

'as I've mentioned before, I 'don't do' what I found to be (and have labelled in the past) 'half wit websites' '

But nobody linked to the Conservative Party's homepage

Inside UKIP's spring conference: Racist jokes, boozed-up delegates and champagne boasts on board £1m yacht

Nigel Farage and hundreds of his UKIP supporters roared with laughter – as a comic cracked a string of offensive jokes about foreigners.

The party’s leader clapped as Paul ­Eastwood took swipes at Indians, Muslims and Poles at a gala dinner marking the climax of its spring conference.

Referring to the Olympics, he told guests: “Poland did well. They took home bronze, silver, gold, lead, copper – anything they could get their hands on.”

To claps and cheers he went on: “Team Somalia – they did well, didn’t they? They had to apologise. Didn’t realise sailing and shooting were two different events.”

Eastwood then asked: “Any Midlands people here? Wonderful! My favourite accent is a Midlands accent.”

He then attempted an impression of an Asian voice. Eastwood chanted an Islamic call to prayer, mocking it as a “traditional Midlands folk song”.

The scenes were witnessed by Sunday Mirror investigators who joined 200 guests at the £35-a-head black-tie feast. The dinner was a chance for delegates, donors and officials to mingle after the day-long ­conference in Torquay, Devon.

Earlier our reporters were invited to an exclusive boozy bash on a £1million yacht.

cont'd...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-ukips-spring-conference-racist-3197692?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I came across the following article this morning which I wanted to share. Pokes fun very gently at UKIP and Romanians. Enjoy!

Romanian TVs Escape to the Country participants always choose England: eveningharold.com/2014/03/02/romanian-tvs-escape-to-the-country-participants-always-choose-england/#more-178081

Spinflight...re your "I have heard it said that there is no way the tories can get a majority if UKIP take more than 4% of the popular vote, and this from a tory analysis. 69% of UKIP voters say they won't vote for anyone else ( Ashcroft's findings ) so you do the maths."

Exactly, as in 2010, so stop denying that a vote for Ukip is NOT a vote for a pro EU stay in Labour Party in 2015.

A Labour government is neither good for your core one-trick-pony-party objective or the UK economy, yet you are bragging about enabling Labour to do both, all for a few seats in the Westminster parliament. Marvellous.

I wouldn't put it past the Iron Frau TerrierandJune, tough lady that one. :)

Have we been invited to join a raffle for Spanish cars Isitmebut or are you admitting that we will win representation in parliament?