Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

[claig]

Very good points ThingsThatGo. I didn't realise the importance of the local issues campaigning. Their appeal is that they are ordinary people, warts and all, who care about the things that locals care about unlike the Oxford PPEs and career spinners and politicians of the think tank influenced puppets.

[Takingbackmonday]

LEM - "one of their MPs" UKIP doesn't have any. It was a Cllr.

I voted UKIP for their support of grammar schools, flat rate tax, energy policy etc. A few nuts do not make party policy

[claig]

'People are so sick of the main three'

Yes that is what is happening big time. The Daily Mail runs hit pieces on UKIP in order to help their Tory chums and the comments section of the articles are full of people saying they will vote UKIP. It's amazing.

[Isitmebut]

It worked for the Lib Dems in 2010 - DIDN'T THEY SAY THEY WERE 'DIFFERENT' TO THE OTHER TWO PARTYS????

How did that 'claim' work out in most peoples eyes?


Governing is different, you have to have the economy and social problems handed to you, they don't default to the wishes of the new administration - Ukip could not run bath water, never mind a country.


The fact you say people don't care about Ukips polices, says what about the people you are looking to attract?


I see your party membership went up by 66% and the BNP's fell 68%, a coincidence, no doubt?

[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight]

It's because they're seen as locals and friends, rather than .. Argh my addled brain.. People you don't feel able to connect on that level with, for want of a better word.
That's what I think anyway, fwiw.
I won't vote UKIP but I can see that them getting involved on a local level with things that other mps and councillors turn their noses up at, is gaining them popularity.
However the flip side is that they can afford to do this, if by some miracle they ended up actually elected, they'd end up the same as main three, 'can't afford to do this, let's cut that' and popularity would slide.
They do pick up on things though and run with them. I've mentioned a few things to our local UKIP member at the same time as our labour mp, a week later the UKIP guy had leaflets through doors (they are good at promoting themselves, must cost a bloody bomb all this leafleting) mentioning the issue I raised albeit fucking claiming it as his own idea the wanker but I can't dispute they get in there with the locals and address local issues, actually travelling to homes or yakking on Facebook rather than saying 'attend my surgery at so and so' like the local mp does, well not all people can get to those surgeries, and mps pick and choose what they decide to raise/run with, especially if in the party that's running the local authority.
People don't want to hear 'money, regulations, blah blah' they want to hear 'right, let's see what I can do to help you' and that's what UKIP gives them even if it is an empty promise.
They're good salesmen I'll give them that.
But my vote is going to a right wing or far right party over my still twitching corpse. I've had enough of benefit bashing parties setting the low paid against the unemployed, bashing of single parents, ukips stance on immigration issues also goes against mine so though I understand their rise in popularity, I am not a fan.

[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight]

After the Tories I don't think I could cope with five years of Tory/UKIP or Labour/UKIP .. Even though there's been a 'no deal with either party' line from UKIP, they will do the same as lib dems.. Sell their soul for even a tiny taste of power.

IMO parties are defunct and we should elect individuals for each position of power who has the background and knows what they're doing, not someone who failed their maths exam and happened to be in the winning party so got handed control of the economy.
If they're shit at their job they can be voted out or sacked, saves waiting five years to get rid by which time the country could be on its knees.

But that's just me and I'm batty lol

[claig]

TorrentialLorraine, I think you are right. Lots of people are unaware of what a huge shift in public sentiment is occurring. The disillusionment with the establishment parties is huge. People want hope, change, something new not the same old, same old "green crap" and all the rest of the crap.

[Isitmebut]

The Consevatives in 1979 took over a broken country and in 1997 left the fastest growing economy in Europe, having seen around 26 consecutive quarters of GDP growth.

In 2010 they were handed ANOTHER broken economy, not the one they handed over, the worse structurally and in terms of debt since the 1930’s recession, took tough decisions and AGAIN it is the fastest growing economy in Europe.

And Ukip thinks that people are “tired” of that and want Ukip ‘to have a go’, who don’t have the talent to form a forum, never mind a cabinet?

All Ukip will do is let Labour back in and there will not be a EU referendum, FACT.

Ukip says they will bring us out of the EU, but how, MEP’s can’t change UK Lisbon Treaty law – they are telling lies to the people, worse than any main party.

So how is Ukip going to change UK law, to guarantee the Uk comes out of the EU????

[claig]

UKIP is going to win the Euro elections and cause an earthquake. The puppets will have palpitations and will have to start listening to the public, and Tory MPs will start panicking about holding their seats and some Daily Mail journalists will start to say that the Tories have to accept the will of the people and do a deal with UKIP. It then all depends on what Dacre decides to say. if he says deal, then it is game over.

The modernisers will have a meltdown, the puppets will have palpitations and the progressives will say "oh my God, we're sunk, our goose is cooked".

Lies and spin of the puppets will be torn up by UKIP candidates on national TV and the Daily Mail will report favorably on what is happening and that will spell game over, people 1, puppets 0.

Puppets will have palpitations, modernisers will have meltdowns and the Guardian will have gut-wrenching groans. Game over, people in, puppets out.

[claig]

And of course, there will be no more "green crap".

[duchesse]

They're the slightly scrubbed up face of the BNP.

If they get in we are all in deep trouble.

[claig]

It may even go as far as UKIP deputy leader, Paul Nuttall, saying we want our old safe lightbulbs back - the ones without the mercury in them. This will be like a red rag to a bull for the EU Brussels elite who will get onto the blower to the media moguls and tell them to sort it out. This will of course fail, and the EU bureaucrats may then make the mistake of fining the UK. This will enrage the nutters, fruitcakes and loons and only drive more of them to vote for UKIP.
Game over. People 1, Brussels bureaucrats 0.

[claig]

Who knows, we may even get our bins back and our weekly collections. The public will think they have died and gone to heaven.
Game over. Angels 1, Brussels bin bureaucrats 0.

[claig]

Either way, it can't be worse than what we have got now. If UKIP say they will "cut the green crap", I think we may see a landslide.

[duchesse]

Can't be worse than what we have now? Really? Could be a whole lot worse actually.

UKIP come across as the pub bores, spouting the same ill-thought out rubbish that anybody's drunk uncle could at Christmas.

Suppose they gain this victory over the "green crap" and incandescent bulbs come back. We only just have enough power now, what with every appliance in the land being on standby all the time rather than properly switched off. We need more power generated. It takes 20 years to build a new power station. We would have 20 years of uncertain power supply and potential cuts.

UKIP are not a government party. They are populist loud mouths in the lucky position of being able to sit carping from the sidelines. They are cashing in on the nostalgia for the supposed "good old times" that prevails at the moment. We would all be in deep shit if they got in.

[claig]

We would re-open our coal based power plants and delay the shutdown of our existing plants. We would tear up the windfarms and scrap the public taxpayer subsidies to millionaire aristocratic landowners and scrap the green taxes on energy and reduce the fuel bills of the hardworking people.

We would regain our independence and our national sovereignty and we would make our own laws and encourage growth and investment. We would turn the clock back, kick the elite bureaucrats out, stop the gravy train and cut the expenses.

We would save on heat by turning on our old safe, mercury-free, incandescent lightbulbs that generate heat as well as light and we would put things right.

The gravy train would sieze to a halt, the bureaucrats' buffets would hit the buffer, the puppets would have palpitations, the modernisers would have meltdowns, the bureaucrats would be tasked with collecting the people's bins themselves on a weekly basis and the BBC would show repeats of the Good Old Days instead of their polar bear extravangazas and their Dances with Huskies on Ice.

[niceguy2]

UKIP are popular because the electorate have pretty much lost faith in all the main parties.

New Labour cos a lot of people still blame them for causing the last recession.

Tories cos many still cannot forgive them for the Thatcher years and their term in office so far has been pretty dire.

Lib Dems got in as the popular alternative vote at the last election but pissed all their goodwill away with the student fees fiasco.

So given we don't like any of the main parties.....let's all vote UKIP!

UKIP are the plain talking party we're understanding even if we may not necessarily agree with their policies. They've nothing to lose and everything to gain.

They're causing the main parties (esp Tories) a lot of pain. All parties will need to step to the right to try to claw back ground. Especially the Tories.

[NearTheWindmill]

The Conservative Party needs to feel some pain and buck its ideas up. DC has done zilch for middle England, zilch for Education, zilch for family values, zilch for the UK's integrity overseas, in fact a big fat zilch and AFAIAC that's precisely what happens when a party votes for the man who will win it an election by playing safe but who has zero conviction in relation to anything. DC, like Tony Blair could as easily have been a successful politician in any party because ultimate he doesn't have any convictions.

[NearTheWindmill]

Oh yes and I will be voting UKIP at the European elections and if they stand in my borough in the next borough elections I shall also be voting UKIP.

[claig]

Good points NiceGuy and NearTheWindmill.

Conviction is key. The public is tired of spinners who do not listen to the people. The time of the metropolitan elite who ignore Middle England and ordinary people's views is fast approaching an end.

[claig]

Let me quote some of the words of the Very Reverend Flowers who seems to have seen the light.

‘It’s fast becoming my opinion,’ he tweeted, ‘that the last man to enter the houses of Parliament with honest intentions was indeed Guy Folkes [sic].’

An hour later, he tweeted a cryptic poster with the words: ‘Crime, money, power, drugs – are all linked,’ a quote from film producer Matthew Vaughn.

By Friday, his plans for a book seemed to be proceeding apace. ‘The book is starting to take shape,’ @PaulFlowersRvd tweeted, ‘it’s going to cost a few “public figures” there [sic] chosen career’s [sic], Corruption, blackmail, sex scandals etc.??.??.’

Moments later he added: ‘Certain chapters in my book will shock & astound even the hardened [sic] of readers, it will end career’s [sic] & cast huge questions across the board.’


It's over. The public know the scams and even the Very Reverend knows the scams.

It's over. Hallelujah.

[claig]

Sorry, wrong thread, but fascinating anyway.

I will link to the article

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541911/Extraordinary-Twitter-confession-Crystal-Methodist-I-got-Co-op-job-friends-high-places.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[FayeKorgasm]

The arse who claimed the recent rain was gods anger at gay marriage is a local town councillor to me. I'm guessing that all the uproar his comment has made will ensure he isn't re elected. What a total idiot.

NB. I didn't vote for him