Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

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Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

France’s Front Nationale did so well mainly DUE to the dire economic situation under a socialist government -and as it is unlikely that France’s penal taxes/low growth/near 11% unemployment will turn around sufficiently come the next general election – there will now be huge political risk associated with France until that election, and almost certainly after.

“How Francois Hollande changed but Ed Miliband stayed the same.”
www.trendingcentral.com/francois-hollande-changed-ed-miliband-stayed/

“Back in the summer of 2012, Ed Miliband was exalting his new hero across the channel, French president François Hollande. The Labour leader could not have been more generous in his praise for his opposite number in the French Socialist Party:”

Miliband quote: “What President Hollande is seeking to do in France and what he is seeking to do in leading the debate in Europe is find that different way forward. We are in agreement in seeking that new way that needs to be found and I think can be found.”

As the UK will either have a Cameron or Miliband led administration after our next General Election, unfortunately (for the British electorate seemingly oblivious to that fact) it will come a few years too early to see the economic/social damage a continual rise of France’s Front National will have from a much higher base - as Le Pen polled just under 18% in the 1st round of the French Presidential Vote in 2012.

France is now screwed for the medium term; votes for Ukip in 2015, unlike 2010 which ‘just’ caused a Conservative ‘largest party’, will ensue that Labour is at least ‘the largest party’ and due to the demise of the Lib Dems, be no doubt heading up an unworkable coalition, possibly or 3 or 4 political parties.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100270514/it-wont-take-much-for-ukip-to-destroy-the-tories-at-the-2015-general-election/

Isit

Its going to be interesting to see if the main parties take the Euro elections on board and try to change (Labour has no manifesto and the lib dems will have to do something quite special) or whether they sit back as traditionally most of their voters return for a general election.

ttosca- from what you 've said on here, I guesss you disagree with plum pumage.

They bussed a load of oap's to my polling station. They know who to target. They know to target those that are disenfranchised or disheartened and there are lots of those.
The country feels broken and after years of the Torys making things worse not better..It is no wonder people are looking for someone anyone with something to say.

Working class people and the underprivileged have been completely neglected because we live in a society so divided that the middle classes can cocoon themselves off from the dire situation that exists for a large number of people. There is class segregation.

They don't see the failing NHS, the dysfunctional benefit system, don't need social workers or payday lenders. They don't worry about whether their teen will come home alive, or prevent their children from going to the playground because of drug dealers. They don't need to live in crowded conditions and put up with incompetent local services.

None of the recent governments have truly addressed any of these things, they swoosh on with a shiny new idea which appeases a handful of voters but doesn't address the extreme inequality that exists in Britain today. Because they don't really understand that it exists, they lead separate lives as do their voters.

Very true Housewife. But it's not the middle classes who are to blame. They are just as much stuffed by the ruling political elite as everyone else us

Wet August, indeed. The middle class is disappearing.

Historically, once the middle classes are eroded, that's when things start happening...

BoneyBackJefferson ….. Re your question “what will the 3-main parties do”, regarding what, after all the money had gone??

The Public Services had a huge amount of (unreformed) money thrown at them under Labour, but how much of that got to ‘the front line’ to improve services over the medium term – wasn’t only 10% of the police out on the streets at any one time and how much NHS money went on the likes of GP salaries for less hours?

I know people don’t want to hear it, but in 2010 this country was ANNUALLY spending £157 billion a year MORE than what we earn - and although the Coalition has reduced that to just over £100 billion annually - we NOW have a National Debt of £1,270,000,000,000 (£1.27 trillion) and it is costing £52 billion a year (that could be spent on something else) to cover the interest on that debt.

So UNLESS we want tax rises for everyone to help balance our annual budget (as putting all the rich ‘up against the wall’ and taking all their money won’t cover that lot), our governments need to get ‘more services for of less taxpayers money’ – which is what the coalition is trying to do, but keep getting pushed back by those in the Public Sector used to massive increases in budgets, to do what they wanted.

THAT (DEBT) IS THE LIMITATION ON UK POLITICAL LIFE, we were near national bankruptcy in 2010 due to the annual costs of running our country and come 2015, no matter who is in power, we will still have a huge annual overspend – the question is, who has the best policies to keep taxes down and GROW our way out of the debt.

That is why I can’t wait for Ukip’s manifesto in September, as if they are the ‘alternative’ to responsible trimming back of our expenditure/debt (rather than keep piling debt on to our grandchildren’s grandchildren to pay off) and giving the people a better life now – bring it on, lets see your solutions.

P.S. The Public should demand ALL parties put out firm spend/tax plans in 2015, as too often surprise taxes come in after the election once they've won e.g 1997.

Isit

Personally I would like the main parties to listen and respond to the needs of the electorate [not just their well off mates (that goes for all the main parties)]

I agree that the government has thrown a lot of money at public services but they did the same for the banks and fluffed a major opportunity to sort that system out.

BoneyBackJefferson .... there you go again with the "needs", what are the "needs" that don't need money we have not got - and what do you think of what the Coalition has done so far with a £157 billion deficit re pensions, tax cuts, national insurance cuts, business stimulation = 1 .5 million new jobs (over 1 million full time) since 2010 etc?

The government spending waste and financial crash was under Labour's watch - and what opportunity has government missed re the banks, make them all like RBS and Lloyds, destroy shareholder value (which is us) while other banks in the world NOT part nationalised saw their equity prices double/treble, without government control.

If you mean the Uk could sort out the International Capital Markets, raising trillions globally every year for government/companies/jobs and is responsible for global growth over the past 30-years - putting £60 to £100 bil a year in tax receipts to the UK exchequer prior to the 2007/8 crash - please explain what we have 'missed'.

Isit

You asked and I answered you seem to see everything as a cost, that everything is about losing money.

You want answers to the "financial crisis". this is what you "need" from a government.

I am starting at a point before all of your cost concerns.

What do the people want?
What concerns do they have?

Only by finding these things out can you start applying a cost value to them.

BoneyBackJefferson ..... EVERYONE generally wants the same things, depending on where they are in life; the question is, with the resources we have, which political party has the best policies to sustain 'services' at a decent level.

If this country had a £100 billion surplus, rather than deficit, it is a totally different question - 'how can we best spend this years £100 billion to better the lives of the peeps'?

A deficit means all taxpayers money is treated like gold, and how do we as a country allocate it competently across so many areas of need.

It really is that simple, any political party offering gimmicks to be different, will be found out very quickly when asked to 'cost it', or what spending they want to ditch, to make room for it.

When dropping the ball, back to basics, in rugby parlance.

"EVERYONE generally wants the same things"

How do you know this? everybody generally prioritises things differently.

If someone earns hundreds of thousands and has private health care I doubt cares that much about the NHS.

Do those with children in private education care that much about state education?

At what age should someone become concerned about their pension, or health care, or child benefit?

One size doesn't fit all, that is why we have so many political parties.

Yeah, funny how we always seem to have enough money for war....

Oh look, yet another racist UKIP councillor:

UKIP councillor Dave Small suspended by party over racism claims

A UKIP councillor has been suspended by his party over claims he made racist and homophobic comments on Facebook.

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch Borough Council's Church Hill ward on Friday, now faces a disciplinary hearing.

It is alleged Mr Small called African migrants "scroungers" and Clare Balding and Sir Elton John "perverts" because of their sexualities.

The Facebook page has now been taken down and Mr Small has not commented.

Speaking on the BBC's Sunday Politics show, UKIP MEP James Carver said he had brought the issue up with the party.

He said there would be a "fair and thorough" investigation.

UKIP said the suspension had been made with immediate effect, but made no other comment, other than to confirm Mr Small was now facing a disciplinary hearing.

Redditch Borough Council said that as the alleged comments were believed to have been made before he became a councillor, it was not seen as a matter for the authority.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-27565266

BoneyBackJefferson ..... EVERYONE generally wants the same things, depending on where they are in life; the question is, with the resources we have, which political party has the best policies to sustain 'services' at a decent level.

That's not the question at all. We are the 5th richest nation on the planet and yet have a social security system and infrastructure far worse than many european countries.

The UK has enough wealth to security and a decent standard of living for everyone.

The ruling class has made a political choice to enforce austerity on the public because they think they can get away with it.