Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

Looks like all the parties agree that UKIP has topped the poll. Quite incredible. marine Le penn 's party has won the French election and is calling for the Govt to resign

Looks like all the parties agree that UKIP has topped the poll. Quite incredible. marine Le penn 's party has won the French election and is calling for the Govt to resign

Just seen this on the news. I actually want to cry. :(

So far, in Denmark, France, Greece and the UK the anti european, anti immigration parties are soaring ahead. Can we dismiss all these voters as 'racist and thick' are are we ready to face up to the fact that there are problems that are being brushed under the carpet and the electorate have had enough?

I've only seen a bit. It seems the anti EU parties are winning. Will we end up with a European parliament full of anti Europe people. It's mad. I wonder why France has moved to the far right.

Unemployment. And the worrying thing is that it's the under 30s in France that have voted for Le Penn

The EU is a total disaster and their attempts to deny the people of Europe their democratic right to get rid of this failed project sis directly leading to the emergence of Far Right parties. We are just lucky that UKIP is a centralist party and that The BNP got voted out tonight

Agree Wet August. I am happy that the BNP have gone. EU is a disaster,no one voted for the unwanted federal gravy train it has become.
Where do we go from here?

The only way to get OUT of the EU is via UKIP. The Tories want us to stay in. Their negotiations with the EU will achieve nothing. The Tories won't be able to hold a referendum anyway as they will not have an overall majority at the next election.

So they'll carry on kicking the can down the road and trying to shut down all debate on Europe by calling UKIP racist

That's how it works

I wonder if they will drop the 'racist' argument now.

No, they'll try to make UKIP out as racist as people are less likely to vote for a party if they mistakenly believe it to be racist

Politics really is a dirty business

Incidentally, replacing Clegg with Cable would be the final nail in the coffin for the LibDems

I find it quite amazing.

My parents have been staunchly conservative for years.
My in laws, (Scottish) labour for just as long.
My husband and bil, the Green Party as a protest vote for 2 elections now.

All have voted ukip for this election.

I find it quite amazing that UKIP have won a seat in Scotland

slithy, did they say why?

In laws no as we don't discuss politics, my husband told me it was a protest vote, and my parents because they really had their trust in the Tories damaged after the last general election, and think that something drastic needs to happen for a shake up.

I will state unequivocally that none are racist, disablist, sexist, or any of the other ists that ukip supporters are often called. All are well educated and the older generation are very well off.

In fact, all of them lived abroad in countries where there are no benefits, and you had to pay your own way to be allowed (temporary) entry. They have a very specific approach to immigration and benefits along the lines of Australia or New Zealand.

I would love to know why my in laws voted ukip, I may get DH to ask.

So far, in Denmark, France, Greece and the UK the anti european, anti immigration parties are soaring ahead. Can we dismiss all these voters as 'racist and thick' are are we ready to face up to the fact that there are problems that are being brushed under the carpet and the electorate have had enough?

We should face up to the fact that in the EU, including every other Western Capitalist country in the world, is being subject to neo-liberal economics. A process which started in 1979 during the Reagan-Thatcher era.

It is during this time that the 'problems' to which you refer took hold. Mass privitisation of public services, deregulation, soaring cost of living, cuts in public services, unprecedented wealth inequality, stagnating wages, job insecurity, etc.

Nobody doubts that there are huge problems in society, politically and economically. Unfortunately, voting for a racist party is not going to solve these problems.

In fact, UKIP support the very same policies.

No, they'll try to make UKIP out as racist as people are less likely to vote for a party if they mistakenly believe it to be racist

UKIP are racist. How many racist comments from councillors and party members does it take to make it a racist party?

I wonder if they will drop the 'racist' argument now.

They won't, because UKIP are a racist party and are full of racists.

I agree that some, or even many, people who vote UKIP aren't racist and voted for them as a protest vote (like stabbing yourself in the eye), but the UKIP party itself has racist policies, and many of its councillors are racists and bigots.

You can't be more pro establishment than by telling people who they can't protest vote for

This is just silly. It's part of the democratic process to debate politics and political parties. I obviously have no power to stop anyone voting for whatever party they choose.

ttosca

"Sun 25-May-14 13:20:49

Voting for UKIP is not a protest vote."

You are telling people that voting for UKIP is not a protest vote. Would you like to supply a list of "ttosca approved" protest vote parties?

You say that you can't tell people who to vote for but you just have.

For those who did so with genuine concerns in mind, the Conservatives and even Labour were carefully spelling out last night that UKIP is not the same as the French National Front for example - UKIP is mainstream and not a racist party.

Exactly how is UKIP different from the National Front?

Why is UKIP 'mainstream' and the NF not 'mainstream'?

The NF in France just won just over 25% of the vote:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

And why do you think that a party cannot be simultaneously mainstream AND racist?

There needs to be this line drawn so that all parties can discuss our role in Europe and our immigration policies without it automatically attracting accusations of racism. If anything it is stifling political debate to make key issues so taboo.

There is a debate to be had about immigration (which is overwhelmingly positive), but UKIP are not the ones to foster this debate.

Discussing immigration policy is not racist. Making racist and bigoted remarks about foreigners, as UKIP councillors and members have repeatedly done, is absolutely racist.

You are telling people that voting for UKIP is not a protest vote. Would you like to supply a list of "ttosca approved" protest vote parties?

Yes, it's called debate and argument.

You say that you can't tell people who to vote for but you just have.

No I didn't, but I am telling you that you need to improve your reading comprehension skills.

How many racist comments from councillors and party members does it take to make it a racist party?