Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

NEWSFLASH – Ukip is a one policy party, they don’t HAVE any serious OTHER issues/policies to debate with serious politicians who between them WILL form the next administration, after a General Election in 2015.

On the Clegg-Farage debate; it is now crystal clear that there are only two political parties who would give the people a referendum on the EU, but only a Conservative majority CAN give the people a vote.

Farage therefore goes into this debate with what, as he cannot say he could influence or work with a Miliband administration, and like 2010 by taking away votes from the Conservatives, the UK will remain within the EU?

What is now the point of a Ukip until the run up to the 2020 general election, now the electoral lines on the EU are drawn along firm ideological lines for 2015?

Farage should give his slot to the Green’s, so we can hear a debate on something not already decided upon, like fracking, climate change and how the country can repel mother nature, rather than Ukip’s main party piece, repelling EU citizens, they/we can do nothing about without a referendum.

Spin, I seem to recall a story about Farage and a lap dancer...

I think Clegg is the only politician who feels qualified to debate from a pro-EU standpoint. He spent a lot of time in the Commission and then the Parliament. I can't find anything on Clegg's voting and attendance records as an MEP but I wouldn't be surprised if it were better than Farage's.

The number of people coming into the country has got out of hand. NHS is overstretched and people cannot get their children into their local school. This is the fault of the Labour party and people shouting anybody who raises this as a concern is a racist. That is why UKIP has the votes they have.

NZ a country around the size of the UK has less than 5m people and an extremely strict immigration policy.

I agree Vivienne that the NHS & schools are overstretched. That said I can't remember a time when the NHS wasn't 'overstretched'.

Plus I'm not convinced that UKIP are the solution. I think there is a debate to be had on immigration but think UKIP are guilty of having too many racists/anti gay/idiots in their party and have been playing the race card too much.

You only have to see the interviews on BBC news with UKIP voters to see their core supporters. Those who think "England should be for the English", a lady who thinks we should leave the.........(couldn't name it until the interviewer said "EU?" and a Essex guy who said "Those immigrants coming here and working...." I mean how DARE they come here and work.

I think UKIP's communities spokeswoman got it absolutely right when she said that UKIP was finding it hard to win the votes of the "cultured, educated and young". Could it be that if you are educated that you see through the bullshit? If you are young and have been growing up in the UK in this multi-cultural society we have that they don't actually see any issues and look further than the colour of someone's skin?

Judging by the interviews I've seen your average UKIP supporter are simply idiots. Unfortunately it seems we have many of them.

Isitmebut
"No wonder Ukip are ‘more popular’ than the established parties; they have thrown away their 2010 general election manifesto and are TELLING THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR"

A party that listens to the people How fucking dare they!

'Judging by the interviews I've seen your average UKIP supporter are simply idiots'

Don't you understand how the BBC works? Don't you know what they are like? Don't you know the spin they desperately try to portray? The whole public knows it and Channel 4 News is just the same. They all want you to think that the 30% of voters choosing UKIP are "simply idiots". They are the establishment and as Winston MckEnzie of UKIP so rightly said

"The UKIP Fox has struck again yet again. He has struck and there are feathers everywhere".

As he rightly says "the experts are the voters"
but if you watched the BBC, you would never guess that at all. Instead you would think that the experts are the professional career spinners paid for from the public purse.

Of course, the BBC and the chums want to portray the voters (as Winston so rightly calls them - "the people who have been deceived") as "simply idiots"

Don't fall for their spin. Tune out of the siren voices of the BBC as the establishment tries to fool the good people of the land.

Watch the results on Sunday night. That will be the real earthquake.

The UKIP fox will strike yet again and "there will be feathers everywhere" that night.

Except it's only good if they're telling the people the truth.

Blaming immigrants and the EU (ie. someone else) for all our woes is over simplfying the problems we face and will do nothing to help. In fact probably the complete opposite. We could do great harm to our country by adopting short sighted and borderline racist attitudes.

We have problems with kids not aspiring enough, not valuing education enough. Our tax system is too complex and too much of a burden for most people. Let's face it. Do you understand it? I don't. Our welfare state is out of control. We can't afford it and none of the politicans seem to be able to deal with it. Our NHS bless it is wasting too much money on the wrong things. Again it's too cumbersome.

None of those things will be fixed by kicking out the immigrants. If anything it will be made worse because all of a sudden you are losing a huge swathe of hard working people paying their taxes.

They are telling the people the truth. There is an open border to all of the EU. There is nothing the puppets can do to stop it. It is more than their jobsworth to even mention it. They are terrified of the "UKIP fox" telling the public the truth because they know that then "there will be feathers everywhere".

UKIP have a poster saying "who really runs the country?", where are the laws really made? Are they made by the puppets who drink in the subsidised bars and claim for bath plugs and biscuits or are they made by an unelected, unaccountable elite?

Is Winston McKenzie racist for saying that "the experts out there are the voters" and that the "word is UKIP" and that "the word is with the people" and not with the puppets.

Is it a lie to say tha "the UKIP fox has struck yet again. He has struck and there are feathers everywhere."

Open your eyes, see through the lies of the establishment and the BBC. See the feathers, "there are feathers everywhere" and remember what Winston so rightly said, it is the people who work 7 days a week and who have been disenfranchised and deceived who are the real experts, not the spinners on TV.

"None of those things will be fixed by kicking out the immigrants."

Where did you get this stuff from? Have you been watching BBC News and Jon Slow of Channel 4 News or something?

UKIP are not going to kick anybody out. The only people they want to kick out are the unelected, unaccountable Brussels elite and their coterie of jobsworths and puppets who do their bidding. They want to restore sovereignty to the people so that we regain our democratic right to make our own laws, determine our own future, kick out our own puppets and regain control over our borders. They want a controlled immigration system instead of the open door to over 400 million people favoured by the highly paid jobsworths and puppets.

And restoring our right to make our own laws will be the start to fixing everything, so that we no longer need to pay £55 million a day to the EU, no longer have to obey all their rules and regulations and can determine our own instead and so that we can free ourself from an unelected elite who ignore the public and treat them as "simply idiots".

"The experts out there are the voters" not the puppets.

"The word is UKIP" not puppet.

"There are feathers eveywhere" and on Sunday night, there will be even more.

Withdrew previous message because have found a longer version of youtube Winston clip:

For those who can't get enough of Croydon UKIP candidate, Winston McKenzie, here he is speaking to the BBC's David Dimbleby, who attempts to interrupt Winston in full flow, fortunately without success.

Winston explains why he called Croydon a "dump" among other things such as giving more detail on "the UKIP fox"

niceguy2
"Except it's only good if they're telling the people the truth."

But the truth is that there a lot of people saying that the main 3 parties have to change. (or at least listen)

BoneyBackJefferson …. Re your pearls of wisdom below, I see like Ukip’s political machine in general, you fail to acknowledge any facts e.g. either the Conservatives or Labour will form the next government – as you don’t want voters to focus on their REAL choices, as represented by both main parties – as one of them, the Conservatives, is the ONLY option in giving the people an EU in/out say, which is possibly the ONLY way to sold any immigration problem from EU citizens.

“A party that listens to the people How fucking dare they!”

and

“there is a lot of people saying that the three main parties have to change”,

So “CHANGE” on what, the EU/immigration AND their domestic policies e.g. the economy?

I ask this as Ukip does not have a domestic manifesto they stand by to effect ‘change’, as they disowned the 2010 General Election one as it was designed for Conservative votes (which they achieved in 2010), when from then on they were targeting Labour votes last Thursday in the local and EU elections – which they clearly achieved.

*So Ukip, while telling voters they cannot trust the main political parties, stand by NOTHING to get your votes – and yet you don’t see you are being done up like ‘kippers – how funny is that, they first targeted BNP voters to get jack boots on the ground delivering leaflets, then Conservative and now Labour, using one EU ‘exit’ policy they cannot deliver and NO domestic policies that last past the ink drying.

In conclusion; still clueless Ukip cannot bring us out of the EU, the ‘political sheep’ are Ukip voters, who say they want ‘CHANGE’, do not know what can be ‘CHANGED, as they don’t even have a clue what Ukip domestically want current policies CHANGED into – yet you think they are the answer? Lolololololol

So there is a huge difference in “listening” to get the targeted suckers votes, and “fucking” delivering white, blue, red and yellow party policy CHANGE, via the purple patch party who can say what they want - as they’ll never have any power in Westminster, whether they have one, ten or 20 MP seats.

Come September at the Ukip party conference, those Ukippered (brain washed) will see the 2015 manifesto policies for CHANGE, that is different to red, blue and yellow party policies – so lets see how many UKippers get the 'smoke' from their eyes.

Vote Ukip in 2015, get the pro EU Labour administration, probably in coalition with the pro EU Lib Dems – but Farage won’t care, at least he will finally have his Westminster seat, on what will it be, the fifth or sixth time of trying – STILL BEING PAID to pretend that an EU referendum is more important to him than political power. Suckers.

both claiq and isitmebut make great points ( I say through gritted teeth ...gosh darn it)

I am starting to get a little bit fed up of the ukippers being described in a patronising way - i don't think they know any less than the majority of the averagely media informed electorate.

and isitme's point is bang on - no one actually states where the scope of what we can do and what change can be effected actually lies.

Itis

ignoring the sarcasm from your first line, I agree with generally with your last (two) post(s).

But you are missing my point, why is UKIP a party with no "visible" policies, a party that is being called "racist", a party that is being called "disablist" and "anti-women" getting any votes at all?

the talk about "suckering" voters to vote for them ignores that there is a mass of the electorate that feels strongly enough to vote for a party just to annoy the main stream parties.

on the last point I didn't and wouldn't vote UKIP. I am not being "suckered" but I can their (supporters) point and I can see (if we are not careful) history repeating itself.

Isit not Itis sorry

I am starting to get a little bit fed up of the ukippers being described in a patronising way - i don't think they know any less than the majority of the averagely media informed electorate.

That's not what the UKIP spokeswoman said. She said that UKIP has difficulty appealing to the educated, cultured, and young.

But the truth is that there a lot of people saying that the main 3 parties have to change. (or at least listen)

This isn't an argument for voting UKIP, any more than it it's an argument for bringing in poisonous snakes in to your home to stop robbers robbing your house.

Nobody, neither the left nor centrer-right, dispute that the political system is shambolic and that none of the three main parties represent the interests of the public.

Voting for UKIP is not a protest vote. You can't possibly be any more pro-establishment than voting for a fascist party.

Labour gained 300 seats. UKIP 150
[[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/full-list-of-local-election-results-9422609.html Here]

Helpy. UKIP's only been around for 20 years and the Labour party a darn sight longer!!

ttosca

You can't be more pro establishment than by telling people who they can't protest vote for

Somebody on TV this morning (think it might have been Theresa May) said we will control immigration as far as we are able. That's the point they have lost control because of the open borders with the EU countries.

iron exactly. Labour has a track record to be judged on- good and bad.
UKIP can and do promise the earth. 'New' parties always do well.

European election results should be in very soon. Let's see.