You have to laugh or you wouls cry

[newwave]

You Tory scum voters were warned but did you listen ? oh no you new better now society is being badly damaged the same as during the bitch Thatchers years.

Will Ghost Town be number 1 again because it seens like 1981 has returned with a vengance.

One question, the financial crash must be the Tories fault after all they blamed Brown for the last one, or maybe the Tory filth is wrong about Brown as they are in so very many things.

No where is my "I didnt vote Tory" badge.

What about the person from Cambridge University who was sent to prison for his unfortunate actions in the student demo. It's not only disadvantaged peopel who riot. that is simplistic. the Bullingdon club has been known to trash a restaurant. Your view that it is about poverty is simplistic, and the public don't agree with you and Livingstone and Harman. The people in Manchester rioting weren't thinking of the shooting in London. The thug who casually set light to Miss Selfridges in Manchester wasn't thinking about Mark Duggan. Baroness Warsi is right, let's face facts, let's understand what the problem is so that we can start to solve it and stop it happening again. It's not about EMA and more money for youth workers and libraries. All the money in the world for that won't stop the laughing 9 year old looters.

"You call Tories scum and filth and you call Thatcher a bitch."

That is because in the main they are, their actions prove that.

The enrichment of the few at the expense of the majority, that fact is undeniable.

As for Thatcher as far as I am concerned she is the epitomy of a callous, mallicious disregard of anyone who was not "people like us" in fact basically evil.

There's no hatred and ignorance in the Mail, are you sure you're not projecting from whatever pamphlet you read regularly?

I don't hate progressives, I don't call them filth and scum, and I have voted Labour in the past and could well do again one day if I am disappointed by what the Tories do, just as I was last time I voted Labour.

The only hate on here is from you and newwave, who call people idiots, mentally ill, tell them to piss off and describe Tories as filth and millions of Tory voters as selfish and describe the newspaper read by millions of people (the 2nd most popular paper in the country) the Daily Hate and the Daily Heil.

You don't like it when someone challenges your views, so you descend to name calling. Your arguments are spurious, so name calling is your only resort.

But I don't think Tony Blair is filth and scum, just misguided like you.
I think you are rude and misguided, but I don't take it personally, because I think you have been misled and haven't yet seen the light. I think you may one day recover, but only if you can start to see people as not being filth and scum. I hope you achieve that level of tolerance, because then your arguments may become more rational and balanced.

"Tory voters as selfish" how else would you describe people who would vote for a party that they know will wilfully damage the lives of those with the least.

How about the Daily Racist or the Daily Scapegoat are they more palatable to you?.

The hate is popular because it panders to the prejudices of it's readers and gives them a spurious justification.

What magazine do you two read? Is it 'Class War'? I saw a copy of that once in Books Etc. I was shocked by teh level of blind hatred and vitriol in it. I have never seen anything like it. Glee in wanting to scratch people's Porsches etc. Is that where you get your filth, scum and bitch thinking from?

The Daily Mail, the people's paper, doesn't call people filth and scum, apart from looters and murderers. It never says that Blair or any other left winger or progressive is filth and scum.

"Your view that it is about poverty is simplistic"

Again you are wrong it is about criminalty AND poverty AND despair AND family breakdown AND the examples of the so called elite AND Police harrasement AND lack of education AND Tory policies AND etc etc.

I don't read hate, apart from your posts about Tory filth and scum. I don't like reading hate, because it is upsetting. If the Daily Mail contained hate then I wouldn't read it, because it would spoil my day, as reading some of your hate-filled posts spoils my day too. I believe in karma. Reading hate upsets the balance.

Hate is the work of the devil and harms the soul. I try to challenge it wherever I see it.

Hate is the work of the devil and harms the soul. I try to challenge it wherever I see it.

And yet you support the Tories how can this be?.

I don't read hate, apart from your posts about Tory filth and scum.

And yet it is a fair description of them and their actions.

I note that whilst you deplore my descriptions of them you never deny my points in regard to the callous and devicife nature of their policies and practices

Because they don't hate. They have correctly analysed what is happening in these riots. They understand the real cause and therefore have a chance of solving it. Misguided people who misunderstand the real cause and can't see reality will lead the country down the wrong path. Those misguided people aren't scum or filth, they just have faulty perceptions and understanding, and their policies will therefore lead to failure, which will harm the public.

I support the Tories because I think that they have a much better grasp of reality and therefore, despite their faults and sometimes incorrect views, stand more chance of doing good for the people.

I have two sons 20 and 25 they have never been in any trouble the oldest has a degree in maths and is a Chartered accountant and the youngest is still at Uni, they had everything they needed (not everything they wanted though) and a loving and supportive family.

Yes and you know what the most important difference here is with your kids and the people we see looting?

a loving and supportive family You have given your kids that. You raised them to have respect for authority. To value education and to work hard for what they want. Well done.

Without that, there is little hope of kids growing up to be law abiding, a good moral compass and aiming high. And the ugly truth is that nothing any government can do to change that.

Lastly isn't it a bit stupid to blame the Tories for the current looting? I don't see any 1 year old's running around looting. it's mainly teenagers & adults. Mainly a product of a Labour government policies rather than Tories.

Lastly isn't it a bit stupid to blame the Tories for the current looting? I don't see any 1 year old's running around looting. it's mainly teenagers & adults. Mainly a product of a Labour government policies rather than Tories.

It was always a powder keg but the Tory and Police actions lit the fuse, when you see what little you have being taken away something will give. I have no doubt there were many (probably the majority) who were their to cause mayhem but I would ask you to consider that was not the only reason and maybe the pent up rage of those with very little and little hope was given an outlet by the circumstances.

Comments along the lines of "they are all criminals" is simplistic.

One idiot on TV said "if they want things they should get a job" I say WHAT FUCKING JOBS the Tories are causing record youth unemployment so I say again WHAT FUCKING JOBS.

The Tories offer no hope and no future to the youth in places like Tottenham.

When you vote, you have to make a choice between two parties. It is like two doctors, who both prescribe different medicine. You have to listen to them both to decide who has made the correct diagnosis, was it Baroness Warsi or Diane Abbott tonight? To my mind it was Baroness Warsi without a doubt. Choosing the wrong doctor, with the wrong diagnosis, means receiving the wrong medicine. It's not a game, it's serious, it's politics. Voting is serious, it can change lives and futures. You have to avoid the wrong turn or tourniquet. I choose the Conservative Doctor, because they make the most sense to me, rather than Labour's Doctor Dolittle.

Yes but the Tory Doctor will make the rich well by removing the heart from a poor person to transplant into a rich person leaving the poor to die.

With the Tories only the rich blossom and at the expense of the poor.

If you listen to the youth workers who have been on TV recently i.e. Shaun Bailey and Sheldon Thomas, you will be surprised to see that they essentially agree with the Tories and the Daily Mail view, that this is about a moral breakdown, a breakdown of respect, authority and family. I only saw one youth worker who said we need more love, care and compassion, and apparently he went to Oxford University, which may explain his faulty thinking. Shaun Bailey and Sheldon Thomas didn't go to Oxford, they are more streetwise, and made more sense to me. Let's see who the Tories agree with. Let's see if they diagnose the situation correctly.

'Yes but the Tory Doctor will make the rich well by removing the heart from a poor person to transplant into a rich person leaving the poor to die.'

I think that is a bit of a cliche. It is real Tories who wish to have grammar schools to give poor people the chance of an education equally as good as the education of Diane Abbott's son who she sent to a private school, because she could afford it on her MP's salary. There are thousands of cleverer children than her son, but they don't have the money to buy into a private school. Real Tories would allow those children to compete on a level playing field with the sons of progressives like Diane Abbott.

And how will we chose those who go to grammer schools or do we need yet another elite.

Better still outlaw all private education so that the affluent are forced to use state schools where their "pushy power" will drive a up standards for all. I know this to be true as my sons went to state schools in leafy suburbs and the parent power was very strong in supporting the school but also holding the school to account.

Private schools, grammer schools, where there are elitist institutions there will always be a part of society left at the margins.

'And how will we chose those who go to grammer schools or do we need yet another elite.'

We choose those pupils meritocratically by the same exam taken by all of them. The brightest will gain access. That is an investment in the future of the country. Just like young Beckham went to football academies, so young bright people should go to academic academies. We should try and create as many grammars as possible to take the greatest number of people.

'Better still outlaw all private education'

Did Diane Abbott and Tony Blair campaign for that?

But I bet they are both against grammar schools where the poor can gain entry on merit rather than money, even though Diane went to one, and Tony went to the Eton of the North, Fettes.

Did Diane Abbott and Tony Blair campaign for that?

I suspect not after all Abbott is a hypocrite and Blair was hardly a socialist.

You did not expect me to defend New Labour did you. I am not a socialist rather an egalitarian.

At least we agree on something, who some of the hypocrites are. We both want the best for the people, it's just a matter of choosing the least hypocritical candidates.

grammar schools where the poor can gain entry on merit.

And what is for those who cannot gain entry.

btw the remaining grammer schools are dominated by the middle clases not the clever poor.

It's easy to get into the better schools if you have money for rescources and I know from experience.