The Grauniad seems to be dying - hurrah!

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I doubt Polly will be selling her Tuscan villa any time soon, but it will be a wonderful day when the BBC's in-house journal gets what it deserves.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/8580566/Job-cull-looms-at-The-Guardian.html

claig Sarah Palin is, to use the American vernacular, a dumbass. An embarassment to conservatives around the world.

Morebeta Yes, the gravy train of public sector ads funding the odious far-left propoganda that masquerades as "news" in the Guardian has thankfully largely ceased. It was a travesty that it was ever allowed. Just imagine the howls of bien pensant Islington anguish if the same jobs had been advertised in the Spectator?

Oh wind your neck in, claig. You come across as unstable, frankly.

Why is Claig on a wind-up mission? Why do some resort to insults? The lowest form of debate in my opinion. Have to go out, but will be back to debate the rather serious matter of the Guardian going under!

complimentary, MrsKarbonara is right, some of my comment son the Daily Mail are done in jest, with, of course, a strong dashing of truth ever present.

'You come across as unstable, frankly.'
I am not sure that frankly would appreciate being called unstable.

Please book an appointment with a medical practitioner for a checkup, your powers of perception may be deficient, you may be unable.

sorry, advice was meant for OneHelluvaBroad, obviously not for complimentary.

Onehellavabroad. Claig is far from unstable. Claig as far as I can se aligns herself with the majority. The Guardian does not, and that is why this pretentious north London rag is making a £33 million loss!
The paper is boring in the extreme, if the majority are against something they are for it! The Iraq War. Totally suppported Tony Blair. The Libya conflict? Would like more involvement. They don't do religion, rather like the arsehole Alistair Campbell. Unless of course it is to support the building of a mosque at ground zero, they then see the protestors against it as 'hate filled' old bigots. They do support Christianity of course when they wish their dc to get into sought after faith schools. They then have a conversion to God for a few months, whilst buying copies of the 'Atheists Guide to Christmas', they know it will be a jolly good read as the Guardian says it is! They are rather keen on higher education, as long as the hard pressed proletariat pays for it!
They protect their own (quite right!) and live in immigrant free areas such as Hampstead or Hampstead Garden Suburb, they are 'for' mass immigration (as long as it only affects the poor). No they are free thinkers, as long as you think the same. The Guardian reader if she is a woman does not were make-up. Its wot chavs do innit? (They must in public recognise each other!) No as far as the Guardian and its readers are concerned they despise the working classes, and as Janet Street-Porter would say, They dont "give a faaaark".

Heartening as always to hear Claig pointing out the truth and watching the oh so superior 'free thinking liberals' getting their knickers in a twist.

Daily Mail is great. I love it.
Littlejohn makes me hoot with laughter.
I'd love to set him loose on a parkful of lefty wets, all whinging about free speech and oppression and global warming and see him demolish them like a Staffy with a Yorkie.

not round here all the staffies would get him first!

According to todays Standard the Guardian/Observer made losses of £301.4 million from 2005 to 2011. How has this paper survived so long? What do the shareholders think?

complimentary - The Scott Trust that controls the Guardian media group sold 49.9% of Autotrader in 2008 which will have offset those losses.

My objection to the Daily Mail is not that it reflects the opinions of 'the people' but that it shapes them in its own image. I've seen it happen. My MIL was a lifelong old-fashioned Labour type - not a trendy leftie. She started taking the Mail when it went to tabloid size but most of the other papers were broadsheet just because it was physically easier - and she found it very readable and entertaining.

Since which time she has started coming out with right wing, racist statements. Direct quotes from DM. DH (he's a Times/FT reading Conservative, definitely not a leftie!) is quite aghast.

The FT is a quite left of centre paper in my opinion.

And the Guardian doesn't??

I buy it every Saturday for a laugh.
The job adverts are beyond parody.

And the Guardian doesn't??

Not so much, I think, because its less accessible - I'm not sure many people who weren't already pretty much on-message with it would bother starting to read it.

The FT is a quite left of centre paper in my opinion

Really? With its 'How to Spend It' saturday supplement?

How is it 'less accessible'?
You seem to be implying that only people of a certain level of intelligence read the Guardian.
Are you?

I read it regularly and I'm about as 'off message' as thy come with regards to the propoganda views expressed within.

moondog...seriously you think the guardian is any more full of propoganda than any of the other papers, come on.

Of course I do.
How does that merit a 'Fair play' comment?

Ah, so you want to keep away everyone that doesn't do Guardinanthink/speak do yuo then Salme?

How very liberal of you.

Tra, the Guardian forces a message of state interference and learned helplessness down the thorats of all who peruse it.

Bonkers thread.

Grimma - Many left wingers read the DM. These have recently been classified as Blue Labour. Politically left but socially small 'c' conservative. They may be anti-immigration, pro-family and cynical about benefit claimants. As such, they will possibly feel more comfortable with the DM, than the Guardian.

I think that's a hugely underestimated and much neglected group of people Jack.

I think you're right moondog - but difficult for Labour to address their needs & to continue with a more Guardian reader style 'progressive agenda'.

Yes quite.

The noble ideals and aims of Labour in the last century have somehow mutated into an hysterical accusatory hounding as a racist/fascist/sexist anyone who doesn''t kowtow to their bilge.

Very Salem-esque