When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

No, because governments come and go.

There are many genuine left-wing patriots. Most of the Labour traditional working-class voting base is the most patriotic demographic out there.

However, the Guardianista Fabianist class from which the BBC draws absolutely detests Britain. They can't stand the things which make us better than other countries. They would rather we weren't Britain at all.

communist sympathising journalists....PMSL oh what fun

what makes us better?

They aren't state controlled.

They are massively left-leaning though, and skewed towards a very narrow type of left-wing worldview - one obsessed by think-tank and Guardian nonsense instead of genuine working class political priorities.

It makes the BBC instinctive Labour supporters, though not formally affiliated in any way. Their editorial judgements are usually far to the left of the Labour party anyway.

Why do you have to worry if we are "better" than other countries?

Who is to say who is better than who?

Are they instictive Labour supporters or to the left of labour?

If loving the monarchy and harking back to the old days of the empire makes us patriotic, then I wouldn't want to be patriotic.

State funding is state control in an indirect way, a way that can camouflage the control.

Thatcher wanted to radically reform the civil service. Thatcher was in government, but she couldn't do anything that she wanted, there was opposition. The BBC is an institution and there is opposition to institutional change.

Custardo Patriots love their country, full stop. There does not need to be reason or justification (though in our case, there is plenty).

A French patriot would say the same thing about France. Perhaps they would wax lyrical about the French the fine food and wine, the innate poetry of their language - who knows?

An American patriot would talk about the sense of individuality and derring-do that forms the essence of the American dream, the absolutely stunning continuing resonance of the Constitution and the Declaration, etc.

She couldn't do anything she wanted, due to opposition? If only she'd managed to crush the unions and close all those pesky mines, eh?

PS German patriots are probably best avoided.

Longfingernails, I love my country. I don't love any of the things you listed in your OP.

Does that make me unpatriotic? Does it, bollocks.

She took the unions on. Their opposition crumbled. But there are other institutions that she could not reform because these institutions are part of the state, unlike the unions. Thatcher wasn't all powerful, she operated in the real world and did what she could. If she had had another 20 years in power, then she would have been able to implement more changes. She implemented what she was able to in the time she had.

LFN - You only seem to view Western patriotism as valuable, though I suspect that's a topic for another thread.

IMO - I have no reason to feel pride over an accident of birth.

Did she also want to reform the BBC?

"PS German patriots are probably best avoided"

[hmm}

I despair

Tebbitt said the BBC was left-wing biased. There is a reason that they cannot radically reform the BBC, and that is because it is part of the state.

Tebbitt said a lot of things.

Margaret Thatcher was our greatest postwar Prime Minister - but sadly she left the job unfinished.

She didn't go nearly as far with the unions as she ought. She didn't go as far with making Britain more dynamic, entrepreneurial and self-reliant as she wanted to. Although she played a crucial part in ending the Cold War, she sadly didn't have the opportunity to reshape Europe in the Anglo-American economic mould. Indeed, she didn't reform the BBC despite ample opportunity.

Left wingers are patriotic and you can be patriotic and be anti-monarchy, and left-wing pilios like Tony Benn are patriotic. We aren't better than all other countries, and our National Health Service isn't the "best in the world" as the Labour liars keep telling us. This "best in the world" stuff is often used to stop people demanding better.

Why didn't she reform the BBC? I think it is because there are limits to what she could do.

'left-wing WWII RAF pilots like Tony Benn'

claig This is moving away from the thread, but if the NHS is the "best in the world" then why has no other country in the world copied our healthcare system?

exactly right. Labour are lying to us and keeping the people down for their own left-wing political ends. Left wing dogma is more important to them than the health of the public.

GothAnneGeddes The Western way of life is better, for most people, than the way of life in many/most other countries.

The moral values our countries are based on, even if sometimes we fall short, are better than the moral values of other nations.

I am clear and categorical about that. Moral relativism leads to us justifying all manner of evils.