cuts - Wednesday's Spending Review

[mrsbaldwin]

Brace yourself ladies - these cuts are big, there will be tens of thousands of public sector redundancies and it's said (by the Fawcett Society amongst others) that they will disproportionately affect women.

Some workers will get some sort of payoff, and some will be pleased to go. Some will find new jobs.

But I reckon the overall effect (licks finger and holds it in the wind) will be to drive down women's wages, meaning that once you are made redundant from your public sector post you may find more work but it will be at a lower rate and the extra competition for jobs across the board will drive wages down across the board. This may be true for men as well but I think it will affect women - mums - more.

If you are watching the press coverage on Weds, what do you think the effects of the cuts and the job losses for women (and mums) will be?

You do 24+ hours of therapy a week with your child do you? 3-5 hours a week of admin & documentation & preparation of educational resources? I do that on top of parenting my children. (I'm not going to attempt to list the extra care & education that my ds requires - I have two non-disabled children I know the difference between standard parenting & CARING)

I suppose I could dump him into the crap SN nursery (he was offered a place) and let someone else paid 4/5/6/7 times what I am do the hours. Would cost a hell of a lot more & wouldn't be nearly as effective. Would you approve of that AlpinePony?

Life is unfair. You are now putting words in to the mouths of others and becoming overly-aggressive. It's unfair you've been given a child with SN.

We are none of us living in a fantasy Utopia where nobody gets sick and everybody is given exactly 300 shiny coins a week and everyone wears green because it's the colour of peace.

'The argument that they are saving money by caring for their children and not putting them in care could be used by any parent'

Really? Could it?
I don't know a single one of my friends that have even given the possibility of placing a child in care a thought.

I have, however, for the well being of my daughter who has been at risk from my son (he can be very aggressive) for some time. This is not a choice I would ever have imagined I would contemplate when I held him as a tiny baby.

I have managed to keep my family together but at great cost both emotionally and financially.

For someone to suggest the choices I and many other parents of disabled children have had to make are comparable with most people is spurious.

The ignorance of the last few comments astounds me

Tories should be ashamed of themselves

Today they had an opportunity and they totally missed it

The country borrows £150bln a year and then spends £200bln on benefits!

We borrow from the chinese and the arabs to keep those 8 million out of work and glued to their sky packages

You are not looking after your children - you are stealing from them, you are stealing their future, you are stealing from their country, you are stealing their country, which at current rate may not be there for them when they grow up

I am very at people who claim to be saving the state x quid by looking after their own CHILDREN!

That's what all us parents do.

well alpine pony you obviously dont know that theres a diffrernace between a nt child and a disabled child a nt needs are far less they become more independant

HalloweeseG

Hang on! They are your children. At some point we have to accept that having children is our responsibility and just because they have serious problems someone else shouldnt be obliged to pick up the tab.

hmm so if you become ill and need see a gp a dr need any kind of support as you get elder why shoould anyone else be obliged to help you .What do you suggest we do with our children then and at what cost to our own health making us in your eyes then a diuble drain on society when we breakdown unable to cope with 24 hr caring

2Of course parents of disabled children should receive financial help, but the parents should not think that they are doing the state a favour by caring for their own children."

oh but they are - in fact it's estimated that unpaid carers save the Government (taxpayers) £67billion a year........

well funny at 6 year old and still wiping ds butt and feeding him and doing his physio and buying the expensive equipment he needs to get the best out of his life

, funny dont think im stealing his future infact im trying to make sure he has a future becuase if was left to people like you he would be left to die in a corner somewhere

Alpine, yes it is unfair that some of us have been 'given' a special needs child. If you're not one of us, you should count yourself lucky and not begrudge a single one of us any of the extra resources we manage to obtain for our children which are all now at risk. You should certainly not be making crass comments about us saving the state money by looking after our own children.

3xpink - I have no words for you other than you should hang your head in shame also

And just to be clear - there are two blah blahs on here!

They are not the Governments children!

yeah funny enough for someone else to care for my son they paid £12-15 a hr as his needs are way beyond a nt child of the same age yet i do it for £56 a week and before say yes he is your son ye she is but at 6 years old he is not like a 6year old will never be fully independant

well said roundthebend

halloweese no there not and neither are you so please remeber that when your old and need care district nurse or when you go to the gp or the hospital

halloweeseG

let's hope life continues to be kind to you and yours....

"The country borrows £150bln a year and then spends £200bln on benefits!
"

£65 billion on pensions
£23 billion Tax Credits (much of which is made up of WORKING tax credit and CTC paid to WORKING families)
£20 billion on housing benefit - again pad to low income WORKERS as well.
£16 billion on DLA - not means tested and many work, or are children.
£1.5 billion on carers allowance

Why don't you do some reading on what the benefits are, who they are paid to before you start spouting off.

£23 billion Tax Credits (much of which is made up of WORKING tax credit and CTC paid to WORKING families)

If people are going out to work and receiving 23 million in benefits, as a country not one person obviously - then something is very wrong.

Jesus, some hideous posts on this thread and some true colours coming out

Absolutely shameful. I don't have a disabled child, either...I count myself extremely lucky in that. But FGS some of you have NO CONCEPT of what having a disabled child actually involves.

either that or you are totally devoid of empathy.

yeah I'm stealing my son's future & the country's ... you know by working every moment in every day to give him a chance of not needing residential schooling then care for whole of his adult life.

Damn me! What a scrounger I am! What a blight on our civilised country. Woe woe woe.

(all those years of HR tax paying - I contribute far more now as a non-working scrounger than I did then)

What a twat you are threetimes.

LadyBlahblah - my son was seriously ill for over 3 years. Apparently I was entitled to DlA. I didn't claim it because nothing I read in the form seemed to apply to me. I was just looking after my son.

In retrospect I should have just got the blue badge. It is the only thing that would gave made his life easier.

theres a bad cas eof im allright jack , yes your dc might be allright but what about if they have dc who are disabled becuase trust me your soon change your tune

Do not judge before you walked in my shoes,

Maybe there like us to be like some other conutrys where disabled children are shoved in a building or a bed and left to fend for themselves or more often left to die in pain and misery

sorry your son was ill but maybe you could afford the extra things that mad ehis life better happier more comfortable but the clue is there your son got better mine never will

thank you frightattendant.

I also have a non-disabled child so know exactly the difference in the parenting, level of support, fight to get resources and the worry about the future - one will be able to make her own way, the other, who knows.

To think that there are people with attitudes such as some on here is deeply worrying and frightens me for my child's future.

This country isn't ruined because of the deficit - it's ruined because of the 'I'm alright brigade...'

mama - believe me it's entirely possible (and true). Should I find a job (I know we're x posting here ) then as the benefit caps apparently won't affect those getting WTC - then I will almost certinaly be getting more in benefits (as it would appear that WTC and CT are now being included in the benefits tally) that I currently do - even taking into account the other cuts announced today!

Obviously not all of the £23 billion on Tax Credits is working tax credits, but I'd hazard a good guess that more than £23 billion is paid out to working families in housing benefit, tax credits, and child tax credit.

Oh and as for the other stuff being spouted about disabled children. I have 3 NT children - caring for a disabled child is NOT just bringing up a child. Of course there's the regular "parenting" aspect of being a parent, but the caring element is having to help them with daily tasks that you would expect a child of that age to normally be able to do for themselves, and as they appraoch adulthood things that any NT adult would reasonably be expected to do on their own.

Totally at the comments about children and parents with SN in the latter part of this thread, and I hope you realise that not all of us parents of NT think that way

We really are in toryland when people are declaring that disabled children are not worthy of assistance from the state

Another thread to leave I think.

HalloweeseG he wasn't entitled to DLA then - cool! Lucky you! My son is & probably will be for the rest of his life.

Why bother with medical treatment for any children? Since they aren't the government's problem - survival of the fittest I say.

To those claiming that it's not the Government's job to help the most vunerable in society, can I ask you what you think the purpose of government is?

Why do we pay all these billions in tax, exactly, if it's not to ensure that those who cannot take care of themselves are not left to starve to death or freeze on our streets?

Really, the logical extension to your argument that 'they're not the Government's children' is why bother providing healthcare or education?