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Atheists desecrate country church

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peasporridge · 19/04/2025 08:12

The perpetrators drew vulgar graffiti on the wall of the church an also wrote "God is a lie".
They also desecrated about 40 gravestones.

This is particularly distressing because a wedding is scheduled today (Easter Saturday)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sickening-blasphemous-cowardly-church-gravestones-140717226.html

https://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2025/04/police-investigating-after-st-james-church-and-over-40-graves-defaced-ahead-of-good-friday/

This clearly demonstrates that Christianity is under threat.from the secular lobby.

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CurlewKate · 19/04/2025 12:13

peasporridge · 19/04/2025 12:11

😆

I can't answer that one !

Edited

That was actually a serious question.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 19/04/2025 12:14

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:06

Yes, the BBC website is reporting that the police, rightly, consider this to be a "hate crime".

I’m very glad that the police are taking this line.

The combination of the intensity of the attack with the timing appears to indicate a level of malice beyond simple vandalism.

It’s astonishing how many posters here are choosing to believe in coincidence.
I’m just not that credulous.

Neither, it seems, are Lancashire Constabulary.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/04/2025 12:15

peasporridge · 19/04/2025 12:10

Well. it seems the courts found in her favour.

Likely because of the fact the upcoming legislation which will prohibit what she was doing is not in effect in England yet. She wouldn't have got away with it in Scotland.

Perhaps you can explain why prayers are only effective if they are carried out in close proximity to what the person doing the praying is praying about?

Why, for arguments sake, would the prayers of people who object to women having body autonomy be ineffective if they were made from inside a church, or perhaps just from inside that person's own home?

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:15

I'm also glad that the police are taking it seriously as well, and are treating it as a hate crime, rather than minimising it as "just kids".

peasporridge · 19/04/2025 12:17

CurlewKate · 19/04/2025 12:13

That was actually a serious question.

Then seriously, I don't know.

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SwordOfOmens · 19/04/2025 12:17

Maybe someone lost their faith due to horrific circumstances

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 19/04/2025 12:18

CurlewKate · 19/04/2025 12:13

That was actually a serious question.

We’re getting off the subject here.
Maybe another thread would be a good call?

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:19

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:15

I'm also glad that the police are taking it seriously as well, and are treating it as a hate crime, rather than minimising it as "just kids".

Do you agree that it is likely to have been kids that did it though?

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:20

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:19

Do you agree that it is likely to have been kids that did it though?

I have no idea who did it. I'll leave the investigation to the police.

100PercentFaithful · 19/04/2025 12:23

Flumperina · 19/04/2025 10:14

FFS I am a life long atheist. How dare you say it’s the fault of atheists. I give no fucks about the building in which you want to worship your imaginary friend.

I imagine it’s someone local with a grudge that is part of your community.

Are you suggesting it was a Christian who scrawled that slogan? Or could it, just possibly, have been an atheist (who believe God is a lie)?
You might need to be a little bit more open minded to the possibility that an atheist did this…

Cornetto3 · 19/04/2025 12:23

HeddaGarbled · 19/04/2025 09:25

This clearly demonstrates that Christianity is under threat.from the secular lobby

Nonsense.

I agree, too many people run straight for conspiracy or malice when quite often it's mindless vandalism or stupidity.

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:24

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:20

I have no idea who did it. I'll leave the investigation to the police.

Cock and balls graffiti and the dead emoji on gravestones? Not even the slightest inkling?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/04/2025 12:26

The only pertinent factor in "who likely did this" is whether they are over the age threshold for criminal responsibility or not.

Agreed that the notion this evidence of militant atheism (there is no such thing) in action is ridiculous, but whether this is 17 year olds or 87 year olds changes nothing about the act itself, the consequences, and which particular criminal offences may have transpired.

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:26

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:24

Cock and balls graffiti and the dead emoji on gravestones? Not even the slightest inkling?

Why do you keep asking me who did it?
I do not know.

Talipesmum · 19/04/2025 12:27

It’s a horrible and hateful attack, and it may not be a coincidence that it was around Easter time, though since that also coincides with school holidays, it’s possible it’s a coincidence.

But “This clearly demonstrates that Christianity is under threat.from the secular lobby.” does not at all follow. The emojis and penis graffiti are much more kids/vandals typical than “the secular lobby”. Kids are quite capable of writing “god is a lie” - they are thoroughly indoctrinated at school about god, and many will reject it. It’s not high philosophy.

Yes it’s a horrible crime, a horrible attack. But it’s a massive stretch to say that this is some bigger picture that Christianity is under threat more than any bus shelter, graffitied building, vandalised school or town centre. Or indeed under threat more than any of the other religions in the UK.

Miaowzabella · 19/04/2025 12:28

Do you habitually refer to 'the religious lobby'? If not, your bigotry is showing.

CurlewKate · 19/04/2025 12:30

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 19/04/2025 12:18

We’re getting off the subject here.
Maybe another thread would be a good call?

Really? I thought we were talking about whether or not Christians were under attack in the UK?

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:31

"Thoroughly indoctrinated at school about God" ? @Talipesmum ?.
I suppose if you send your kids to Ampleforth or the Presentation Convent.
Regular state education? No.

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:34

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:26

Why do you keep asking me who did it?
I do not know.

You don't know whether it is more likely to be kids drawing cock and balls graffiti and the dead emoji on gravestones during the school holidays than a careful, targeted attack by adult anti-Christian campaigners who specifically chose Good Friday for its religious significance?

Ok.

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:35

noblegiraffe · 19/04/2025 12:34

You don't know whether it is more likely to be kids drawing cock and balls graffiti and the dead emoji on gravestones during the school holidays than a careful, targeted attack by adult anti-Christian campaigners who specifically chose Good Friday for its religious significance?

Ok.

Stop goading me.
For the 3rd time: I do not know who did it

Talipesmum · 19/04/2025 12:39

FenellaFeldman · 19/04/2025 12:31

"Thoroughly indoctrinated at school about God" ? @Talipesmum ?.
I suppose if you send your kids to Ampleforth or the Presentation Convent.
Regular state education? No.

Yes they are. Primary schools in particular. Including state schools. Probably not as “thorough” at most state schools as it would be at specifically catholic schools or similar, but there’s still a requirement for collective worship of a broadly Christian character - which is far more than many non Christians would like there to be. My point is that kids come out of school having had plenty of time being asked to pray, sing hymns etc, and many will emerge disagreeing with what they’ve been told, and be somewhat resentful about it.

“Current law requires all state-funded schools in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to hold daily acts of ‘Collective Worship’. In England and Wales in schools with no formal religious character this worship must be ‘wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character’. In Northern Ireland the requirement is for ‘undenominational’ collective worship.”

InWithThePlums · 19/04/2025 12:40

peasporridge · 19/04/2025 08:54

"God is a lie" is something an atheist would say.

To desecrate a church wall plus 40 gravestones without being seen would indicates it was more than one person. working at speed.

Not normal grown up atheists though. Probably drunk teenagers.

I am an atheist and I love churches.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 19/04/2025 12:41

anti-Christian campaigners

Who would this be, precisely?

The Secular Society?

For a start, they are proponents of secularism and not anti-Christian, and nor are they known for espousing a campaign of practical, violent resistance and destruction of churches and graveyards.

The people who did this are ignorant vandals. Whether motivated by hate or not is yet to be established, but the notion that people who object to religion on philosophical grounds have now formed anti-Christian violent action mobs is ridiculous.

CurlewKate · 19/04/2025 12:45

Obviously nobody knows who did it. But if you hear hooves outside your window in Sussex it’s more likely to be horses than zebras…

AngelinaFibres · 19/04/2025 12:47

InWithThePlums · 19/04/2025 12:40

Not normal grown up atheists though. Probably drunk teenagers.

I am an atheist and I love churches.

Me too. I did a 4 year degree in theology. I love churches, church music etc. Do I believe there is a supreme being called God ? Absolutely not.