If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

Ah, you should read many of the other threads like this. What is “proof and evidence” assuming you mean scientific methodology what makes you think it would be a suitable mechanism to look at something that exists outside of space and time?

why haven’t you answered any of my questions?

To answer this. Yes you can feel sorry for people who are deceived by someone, but could you feel sorry for them if they then do what their abuser says, going on to commit terrible murders and other atrocities? By this point the humans following the AntiChrist will be consumed by spiritual darkness and will be gathering against Israel to destroy it once and for all. Any vestige of goodness they may have had will have been lost.

So no, I will not be sorry when they meet their fate.

Because it’s made up. Billions of years of earthly and human evolution, and this god decides to rock up to the party only within these last few thousands years The concept of god, and the meaning of Christ, is entirely man’s work.

I have. There’s no proof your god exists. Now you please answer properly- what is your proof of your god existence? And please no word salad, please indicate clear proof.

@AlteredStater Another one from one of mine as they quite like these topics. Their view (and they/I am not claiming it is correct/incorrect, just their view and they accept others have different views), is that Lucifer is basically God’s helper in testing people basically on God’s command. So it’s not up to ‘it’ to corrupt humans but moreso to show the corruption already there if that makes sense. Apparently there is something in Job that demonstrates this and a few other places. In addition, to give Satan the power ascribed is to take it away from God, that is God has no control over everything. One can then have a debate about free will etc. But, ultimately as God is all powerful, they could have stamped Satan out at any point. That this has not occurred, leads them to think it’s a case of God and Lucifer working together in a way, basically giving people tests/testing worthiness to God versus actively corrupting people with evil as such.

Edited to add, I have no skin in the game. If either God or Lucifer presented themselves, picked up my vacuum and gave me a hand, I’d be thrilled either way. I have no real ideas about these things but do enjoy listening to my kids who are interested and have views on this stuff.

"Son of Man" is used to show tthe divine authority of Jesus. It doesn't mean he was 'only' a man and therefore not divine.

Daniel 7:13-14 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed."

The Ancient of Days is God the Father. The Son of Man is Jesus. Thus the Son of Man is a heavenly person who descends to the world and whose principle role is judge of this Earth and rule over a new Kingdom.

Mark 2:27-28 "And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Again this speaks of the divine authority of Jesus over the Sabbath.

Matthew 9:6 (Jesus speaking) But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins” —then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.

Only a divine being can forgive sins. Again Jesus shows his divine nature.

So yes although 'Son of Man' sounds like he's saying he's a mere human, on closer inspection he's asserting his divinity.

Setting aside my own personal lack of belief, I think it is harder to know what is real today with all the AI and deep fakes. Any video evidence of walking on water or healing the sick would look manufactured. Once upon a time, you could just spread the word, now even solid proof can be easily denied. Just look at all the flat earthers and climate change deniers.

They would have to catch him first! There was an instance when He was surrounded by an angry mob trying to push Him off a cliff yet he walked away unharmed - I can only assume by some kind of supernatural means. He wasn't going to be caught until the time came for him to die when he willingly gave up his life for us.

Luke 4:28-30 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.

How do you know “it’s made up”? Why are you so limited in your view of what god is? I would say god is a perennial force with various explanations by man that have come about in order to contemplate its existence

You have answered a single question. What is my god? I’m interested to hear your assumption. what do you mean by “evidence” you will need to at least answer these two questions before I can answer yours.

The term “word salad” is normally an indication that you cannot comprehend or answer any of what is being said. In order for me not to waste my time, how much have you studied the Bible in its various original languages, Gematria and the feeder philosophies and mythologies?

Well, if God does exist then atheists (and everyone else) will meet Him when they die. It's not arrogant to state that, it'll be a fact.

Yes I'm not saying that the title Son of Man implies that he was "only a man", just pointing out that he does not directly call himself the Son of God. Personally I believe he was, and I think it's important to note the distinction that he wasn't going around shouting out that he was the Son of God (which would probably have been less convincing anyway) but instead let others draw conclusions based on what they saw and experienced.

Yes in the book of Job (who is a model of goodness and has been blessed by God), Satan states that if all Job's possessions were taken away, then he'd curse God. So God allows Satan to bring various trials and misery on Job, with the restriction that he's not allowed to kill Job. There follows a series of awful misfortunes (including the death of his family) but through all of it, Job remains faithful to God.

So yes God does allow some misfortunes to take place. He is able to work through those misfortunes to bring character development and goodness. I know that without the trials I've suffered in life I would be a far weaker and more selfish person that I am now (and still a long, long way from perfect!).

Thing is there's only one Satan and he isn't omnipresent like God is. Satan can only be in one place at a time. He uses his army of fallen angels (aka demons) to tempt and distract humans from following God or doing God's work. The likelihood of anyone personally being tested by Satan is remote, considering his limitations, so we deal 99.9999% of the time with demons.

Not sure I agree with God testing people to see if they are worthy, though. Worthy of what? God only requires faith in his Son Jesus Christ for salvation. Good works will usually follow salvation, though, because having the in-dwelling Holy Spirit means you want to do them, the Spirit changes you bit by bit over time. Demons will try to distract and derail you though, so you do have to be aware, but ultimately they cannot harm you at all.

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Yep, I get it. Was clarifying it for other readers who might peruse this thread at some point! 🙂

If either God or Lucifer presented themselves, picked up my vacuum and gave me a hand, I’d be thrilled either way.

It's a pity none of these beings have an interest in domestic chores! 😂More would be converted if so!

Yes, of course. Any acts they've committed don't cancel out what was done to them. In fact, the acts they committed confirm how profoundly they were damaged by what was done to them. I can condemn someone's behaviour, be furious at them, hate them, and still feel sad for the human being inside them who was deceived, manipulated and abused into becoming what they became. Can't you?

You are doing it again, and you are unable to clearly answer the question, by being able to present clear and palpable proof that your god exists. Just because you think of god as a perennial force, that in its self still doesn’t prove that he exists. These are just thoughts, a subjective view point, an outlook, shared by many, but nevertheless thats still not tangible proof. Just because millennia long esoteric Christian philosophy and religious musings, in all their various canonical traditions exist, they’re still not proof of the existence of god. Just because I say it, what ever it is that I am saying, does it make it true? Not necessarily. I mean, I told you that the Celestial Watermelon in the sky is real. Will you take my word for it without me giving you actual tangible proof? Again, if there were philosophical musings, formulated by me and other followers, around this watermelon’s existence, written or otherwise, would you accept that as proof?

It’s not a fact.

I think your comments are a reflection on yourself tbh.

Once again, I will ask.

1. what is your definition of god?
2. what do you mean by proof/evidence?

This is absolutely correct.

Jesus made an explicit reference to Daniel’s prophecy when He was interrogated by Caiaphas before the Sanhedrin-

“The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
”You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy!”
Matthew 26

The title “Son of Man” and reference to Daniel was instantly understood by Jesus’ contemporaries as a claim to deity.

It is frequently misunderstood by 21st century casual readers of the text.

How can I meet someone that doesn’t exist. I won’t be meeting anyone when I die - I’ll be dead!

Good grief, this is indeed word and concept salad. You are clearly incapable of showing, of providing actual proof and evidence of your gods existence, because you are continually throwing it back at me, and after I answer you refuse to answer my question.

His miracles and His authority were visual statements about His true nature. In addition He did make verbal statements about His relationship to God the Father.

And as He often said
“he who has ears to hear, let him hear”

Not everyone listens, then or now.

What miracles!!!

One of the most basic requirements when having a debate it to clarify terms - this is the very antithesis of “word salad” is that the only phrase you know?

Either define the terms you are asking me to comment on or accept that you are ill equipped to continue this debate.