Christian Spiritualism

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I’m wanting to find out more about Christian Spiritualism and was wondering if anyone might have an recommendations for resources/books/courses/groups and so on?

Well it’s not about you either.

what do you think happens to people who speak to the dead when they themselves die?

I'm not the one twisting Scripture to fit around my lifestyle. @Feelingathomenow

I'm not sure what it is you're asking.

No others have been doing that in the name of organised religion for thousands of years, all you need to do is follow their mislead,

interested what lifestyle I’m trying to fit scripture round!

what i asked was, if you think God condemns speaking with the dead, will people who do it go to heaven or hell?

You see though there is a difference between what a religion says and what is said at source in many cases.

@Feelingathomenow, really? Christianity is generally very open and encouraging towards studying source material. The same cannot be said about certain occult practices and practices within esoteric Gnosticism whereby knowledge is only open to 'initiates...'

Yes really, Most of the time of the existence of Christianity its interpretation has been guarded by the church, disagree with it you were likely to end up in a torture chamber or on the pyre. Doesn’t sound very encouraging to bringing forth one’s own understanding to me.

When Pope Innocent III called for a crusade against the Christian’s in the Langdd’orc area of what is now France for their allegedly different beliefs, it resulted in an estimated 1 million people dying - not exactly speaks of an open mindset.

I’m not entirely sure what point you’re making about initiatory groups. But I’ve never come across any torturing and murdering for different view points. In fact all the ones I know of in the west actively encourage individual thought around all areas

@Feelingathomenow I think you know full well I was talking about the modern church as many people here have experienced. The church knows there have been many grave mistakes and atrocities committed over the centuries and in many cases seeks reparations.

But pagan practices have also been equally bloody over the centuries. Human sacrifice and torture was central to worship! Does this really need to be spelt out? You know it!!! In more modern times there was a sector of the Nazi party which specialised in the Occult.

Oh come on, I can only assume you are being deliberately disingenuous here.

There we’re also bits of the Nazi party who specialised in science - do you think science is evil lol? Interestingly there were also occult happening in the allied countries for the war effort. You might want to look more broadly at the interest in the Occult and Germany to view this in its correct cultural context rather some naive horrified hand wringing.

So when you say “modern church” what are we talking about? Post 1970s/80s child abuse? Where are you arbitrarily cutting this off? Of course Christianity is still committing many atrocities and it’s teachings still causing much pain round the world.

Which Pagan religions of Europe and the Middle East do you think were regularly making human sacrifices and torture as part of worship. Yes it does need spelling out, because it’s not something that has featured in European esoteric traditions.

Just marking my place on a very interesting thread.

@Feelingathomenow equally I think you could look at the church 'more broadly' within the correct cultural contexts over the centuries.

My point being if you want to argue we could argue until the cows come home but I suspect it would achieve very little.

Spiritualism is such a massive departure from the core beliefs of the established Christian church it is highly questionable whether it can be called Christian in anyway at all.

I suggest the OP looks into all of this in their research and consideration of whether this is something they wish to get involved in.

I would always advocate people do their own research. Critically thinking about what is being said and why.

i don’t think Christian Spiritualism is any more of a departure from the teachings of Yeshua ben Josef than many other denominations of Christianity. If something lays claim to being done in accordance with the word of Christ then I would think it is Christian until proved otherwise. I’ve not seen anything that would put Spiritualism at odds with Christianity

@Feelingathomenow but you reject the mainstream Christian church and large parts of the New Testament so how can you make claims concerning what Christianity is and isn't?

Look up Angela Scafidi on YouTube. She was very very heavily into spiritualism, new age practices etc and had a radical conversion to Christianity, which included deliverance from demons. She talks really articulately about the spiritual dimension.
Edited because I keep mis-spelling her name 🤦‍♀️

Well, I simply think Christianity is being a follower of Christ, not the Jewish mystic Paul, not the various church leaders with their various agendas. I think that should be self evident

@Feelingathomenow do you submit to Christ or consider Him your equal?

Wow, I always wondered what happened to TV Evangelists in the internet age. And then Angela appears. Listening to here reminds me of those TV Evangelists in the 80s in the Satanic panic demanding their congregation stopped listening to heavy metal as it was a gateway to the devil.

Having some tarot cards and pulling together a chart whilst charging some crystals in the full moon or whatever she did as a new ager is very distinct from the various practices we now group under western esotericism.

Maybe you could link to some of the videos where she talks very articulately about the spirit dimension, I couldn’t locate these easily on you tube.

But maybe we can agree - the new agents (very different from the occult practices of the various “ western esoteric” traditions might well not be a good idea.

I submit to Christ as my higher self

@Feelingathomenow, as your 'higher self'? And do you sacrifice yourself as Jesus did?

We’ll sacrifice forms a big part of my work - not set up any of my mates to be villified for centuries leading to their suicide and then asked some Romans to crucify me though.

@Feelingathomenow,

We’ll sacrifice forms a big part of my work

What sort of sacrifice does your work involve?

Of my lower self. I can recommend some books if you’re interested in the various paths around this concept

@Feelingathomenow, it's ok. We've spoken before under different names. You practice ritual magic are greatly inspired by William Blake and Hermeticism iirc.

I'm still Christian.

Yes I gathered lol!

But, as a matter of interest have you ever read more esoteric texts?

@Feelingathomenow, I've read some in part but not studied them closely. My Christian faith, seeking unity with God through Jesus Christ, is the priority for me. And if you believe all paths are valid (as I believe you've mentioned before) my choice certainly cannot be criticised.

I wouldn’t criticise anyone’s path as they see it fit for them. I do get annoyed at people insisting there is only one path for everyone, if the OP feels Christian Spiritualism is the path for them then they should be free to try it without condemnation

I too know something of your work @Feelingathomenow.

In answer to your question, it's not for any of us to say - Christ will judge. Although, biblically speaking, anyone who has not put their faith and trust in Jesus is lost.