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Christian Spiritualism

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rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 15/10/2024 23:25

I’m wanting to find out more about Christian Spiritualism and was wondering if anyone might have an recommendations for resources/books/courses/groups and so on?

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Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 15:16

onetwothreehello · 28/10/2024 15:11

I did say I recognised you from previous conversations, but I’m interested to know what you want me to recognise about you.

@Feelingathomenow, I had regarded you as a friend with much in common albeit with some differences in opinion / beliefs and had enjoyed a large proportion of our previous conversations. I had hoped you might have recognised the same in me except I'm detecting a certain amount of indifference towards me / hostility to what I have said.

Sorry my mistake. It seems I maybe have been projecting.

What makes you think I don’t enjoy speaking with you. But I do detect some unease from you this time- why is that? Feel free to DM me if you want.

onetwothreehello · 28/10/2024 15:19

But I do detect some unease from you this time- why is that? Feel free to DM me if you want.

@Feelingathomenow because that's what I feel. It's a feeling. Not easily put into words. Thanks.

Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 17:22

onetwothreehello · 28/10/2024 15:19

But I do detect some unease from you this time- why is that? Feel free to DM me if you want.

@Feelingathomenow because that's what I feel. It's a feeling. Not easily put into words. Thanks.

And that’s fair enough, we all feel things, we all feel different things. One person might fall head over heels in love with someone, find their soulmate, another person might detest that very sane person. It might be neither of them know why they have those feelings - neither of them are objectively right or wrong, it just is.

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 22:43

Feelingathomenow · 27/10/2024 04:33

And what on earth is that supposed to mean? Are you ok?

It was a joke @Feelingathomenow Wine may or may not have been involved.

Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 22:45

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 22:43

It was a joke @Feelingathomenow Wine may or may not have been involved.

Fair dos

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 22:48

I believe the question about what happens to a demonic spirit when it's been exorcised was raised earlier on. Jesus answered that - “When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.” (Matt 12:43-45).

I don't believe spirits of humans can hang around on earth. They are either in Paradise or in Hades awaiting judgement.

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 22:52

Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 22:45

Fair dos

Thanks, hope you're ok too, you don't seem as upbeat as in other threads.

Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 22:56

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 22:52

Thanks, hope you're ok too, you don't seem as upbeat as in other threads.

Me? I’m very well thanks for asking. Maybe I got possessed by the spirit of victor meldrew and didn’t realise it. But I don’t beleeeeeve it for a second.

Fluffyboys · 28/10/2024 23:15

Feelingathomenow · 28/10/2024 22:56

Me? I’m very well thanks for asking. Maybe I got possessed by the spirit of victor meldrew and didn’t realise it. But I don’t beleeeeeve it for a second.

😂 That's good x

Justmerach · 02/12/2024 02:22

rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 15/10/2024 23:25

I’m wanting to find out more about Christian Spiritualism and was wondering if anyone might have an recommendations for resources/books/courses/groups and so on?

Christian Spiritualism does not exist.

What exists is Christan Spirituality. If people are talking about miracles and healing, exorcisms etc then these today if you are a Christian are done through the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which are the gifts given to believers in the Church to work for Jesus. It is given to people by God through the Holy Spirit. God decides the gifts that members of the Church will have (1 Corinthians 1-31).

This Spiritualism I would like it to stop because it also not a Biblical teaching.

Justmerach · 02/12/2024 05:07

Also run a search on the indwelling of the Holy Spirit if you are interested in Christan spirituality. and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit that I mentioned above.

If you want things like mediumship then that is not Christan.

I have written something on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in today's world. I am quite new here though and still getting familar. I may share it in the future.

Feelingathomenow · 02/12/2024 21:40

Justmerach · 02/12/2024 02:22

Christian Spiritualism does not exist.

What exists is Christan Spirituality. If people are talking about miracles and healing, exorcisms etc then these today if you are a Christian are done through the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which are the gifts given to believers in the Church to work for Jesus. It is given to people by God through the Holy Spirit. God decides the gifts that members of the Church will have (1 Corinthians 1-31).

This Spiritualism I would like it to stop because it also not a Biblical teaching.

Edited

Well Christian Spiritualism does exist very clearly. It might not tie in to your view of what Christianity should be, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Justmerach · 05/12/2024 22:53

Feelingathomenow · 02/12/2024 21:40

Well Christian Spiritualism does exist very clearly. It might not tie in to your view of what Christianity should be, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

I think some people may be a bit mislead by what Spiritualism is and may be desperate as well in some cases. Some people may be mourning and desperate to contact passed loves ones. No one should sit in a moral position about this. What it shouldn’t do though is to try present itself as being a part of Christianity.

With Christianity Christians believe that God will defend them from evil. We say this in the Lord’s Prayer. Evil exist like in demon spirit possession but God has equipped Christians in the church through the gifts of the Holy Spirit to cast them out.

Perhaps some people who feel they need some support may try a Charismatic Christian Church. You won’t get a message from loved ones but may experience receiving a message from a prophet in the church.

Good luck

Feelingathomenow · 05/12/2024 23:11

Justmerach · 05/12/2024 22:53

I think some people may be a bit mislead by what Spiritualism is and may be desperate as well in some cases. Some people may be mourning and desperate to contact passed loves ones. No one should sit in a moral position about this. What it shouldn’t do though is to try present itself as being a part of Christianity.

With Christianity Christians believe that God will defend them from evil. We say this in the Lord’s Prayer. Evil exist like in demon spirit possession but God has equipped Christians in the church through the gifts of the Holy Spirit to cast them out.

Perhaps some people who feel they need some support may try a Charismatic Christian Church. You won’t get a message from loved ones but may experience receiving a message from a prophet in the church.

Good luck

If you ever went to a spiritualist circle or church you would find prayers of protection. Like any religion it attracts people who are desperate for something, I’ve seen parents with desperately ill children asking for prayers each week at the local CofE church, people who have lost spouses, taking comfort in the church’s belief in the afterlife - that one day they will be reunited with their loved ones.

To be Christian means to be a follower of Christ. That can be interpreted in a wide range of ways, as you will see from the posts on this thread, that is not incompatible with spiritualism

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 06:19

I do attend a Anglican church so you know about the formalities of them, there is a difference and how Church of England church worship is within what defines Christanity scope.. In my youth unkowing really what a Spiritiulaism church was attended a couple naively. It was not for me and what anyone does is down to them but there are differences between Christanity and Spiriualism and that I think should not be denied.

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 07:56

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 06:19

I do attend a Anglican church so you know about the formalities of them, there is a difference and how Church of England church worship is within what defines Christanity scope.. In my youth unkowing really what a Spiritiulaism church was attended a couple naively. It was not for me and what anyone does is down to them but there are differences between Christanity and Spiriualism and that I think should not be denied.

I would say the Church of England is pretty far removed from the teachings of Christ. The “true” teachings of Christ have survived only in esoteric circles. At best mainstream Christianity is following the teachings of the Jewish mystic Paul, generally, esp post Reformation its following the parts of those teachings beneficial to particular nation states.

Christian spiritualism is another iteration of Christianity - arguably with elements closer to the teachings of Christ that CofE

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 15:10

Corrected below

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 15:11

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 07:56

I would say the Church of England is pretty far removed from the teachings of Christ. The “true” teachings of Christ have survived only in esoteric circles. At best mainstream Christianity is following the teachings of the Jewish mystic Paul, generally, esp post Reformation its following the parts of those teachings beneficial to particular nation states.

Christian spiritualism is another iteration of Christianity - arguably with elements closer to the teachings of Christ that CofE

Ok, but I am a bit of a loss. What is your point?
There are differences between Spiritualism and Christanity, that does not need to be denied.
Btw, I am non demontional and can attend any church that I feel worships in truth and spirit.
I don't know if this an emotive topic for you,

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 18:14

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 15:11

Ok, but I am a bit of a loss. What is your point?
There are differences between Spiritualism and Christanity, that does not need to be denied.
Btw, I am non demontional and can attend any church that I feel worships in truth and spirit.
I don't know if this an emotive topic for you,

Not really an emotive topic. But I do like things like this to be correct. Spiritualism can be done on the name of Jesus, I have also seen people asking for the protection of Jesus. Many people who I have seen practising spiritualism hold Jesus dear in their hearts as the son of God. That means, to me spiritualism is Christian. If you are non- denomination what do you believe qualifies something as Christian and excludes spiritualism from that definition?

mostlydrinkstea · 06/12/2024 18:31

The mainstream Christian denominations will all say one of the creeds in their services. I've got a friend who attends a spiritualist church and as far as I'm aware it is about proof of mediumship rather than worship of the triune God. You can worship Jesus outside of mainstream churches of course.

www.rcsouthwark.co.uk/faith/the-creed/

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 19:15

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 18:14

Not really an emotive topic. But I do like things like this to be correct. Spiritualism can be done on the name of Jesus, I have also seen people asking for the protection of Jesus. Many people who I have seen practising spiritualism hold Jesus dear in their hearts as the son of God. That means, to me spiritualism is Christian. If you are non- denomination what do you believe qualifies something as Christian and excludes spiritualism from that definition?

Ok I can understand now thank you.

We can all draw to Jesus on your own path.
I respect peoples opinions, but I like I things to be correct as well. Some things cannot just be made or should be to fit all things although people are at liberty to see things as they like.

To me as a non demontional the Bible defines the word of God and my beliefs are Bible based. I had a Catholic upbringing so am quite influenced by Catholism as well,

I an how signing out for the weekend. I hope everyone has a good one.

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 20:29

mostlydrinkstea · 06/12/2024 18:31

The mainstream Christian denominations will all say one of the creeds in their services. I've got a friend who attends a spiritualist church and as far as I'm aware it is about proof of mediumship rather than worship of the triune God. You can worship Jesus outside of mainstream churches of course.

www.rcsouthwark.co.uk/faith/the-creed/

Exactly, there’s more to Christianity than Nicea and Trent. Of course you might find different takes at different spiritualist churches, but IME the ones I have visited recently on some exploration have mentioned Jesus a lot.

Feelingathomenow · 06/12/2024 20:31

Justmerach · 06/12/2024 19:15

Ok I can understand now thank you.

We can all draw to Jesus on your own path.
I respect peoples opinions, but I like I things to be correct as well. Some things cannot just be made or should be to fit all things although people are at liberty to see things as they like.

To me as a non demontional the Bible defines the word of God and my beliefs are Bible based. I had a Catholic upbringing so am quite influenced by Catholism as well,

I an how signing out for the weekend. I hope everyone has a good one.

Yes we had quite an in-depth discussion upthread re the Bible. Hope you have a lovely weekend and stay safe if you’re in the storms path

PraiseHim · 12/01/2025 19:29

rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 15/10/2024 23:25

I’m wanting to find out more about Christian Spiritualism and was wondering if anyone might have an recommendations for resources/books/courses/groups and so on?

Why, as a Christian, would you want to explore spiritualism when it is against the teachings of the bible?

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