Euthanasia conflict

[Patternedwallpaper]

Hi all,

Been trying to pick a church recently. I was raised C of E but feel it's not for me now and was going to try another. Found one I like, but it is against homosexuality, abortion and euthanasia. They are friendly and welcoming to everyone no matter what the circumstances, but just believe all 3 are wrong. I dont necessarily; i think i can square my feelings about abortion and homosexuality, but I just cant see the problem with euthanasia when a very old or ill person is suffering :(

Does anyone else have this conflict? Can you tell me your thoughts/experiences? What are the compelling religious arguments against euthanasia?

It’s with reference to abortion not miscarriage so I’m not sure why you’re trying to compare the two.

I would never say that to a woman who has had a miscarriage as it would be insensitive so that scenario would never happen.

It would appear it’s absolutely fine to suggest to a woman who choses to have an abortion (I’m sure the decision wouldn’t be an easy!) that she’s murdering and killing a baby….. at 8 weeks I’m pretty sure most women would prefer to think of it as a foetus rather than a baby!

I don’t believe in god or religion of any sort so all of that is wasted on me.

God didn’t create me or any babies. I’m a product of evolution and we can quantify this all around us.

The way you describe women having an abortion and the terminology you use is disrespectful and disgusting.

The first sentence in your second paragraph nailed it, it’s a foetus, not a baby!

Foetus: a young human being or animal before birth, after the organs have started to develop (Cambridge Dictionary).
In other words, an unborn baby. @SunnyWavess

A woman is free to do to her body what she wishes and it’s of no business of yours or of your beliefs!

I gave my opinion, just as you gave yours. I will not pretend abortion is acceptable and maintain it is an abhorrent practice, against God's will. To pretend otherwise would be a lie. Having said that, I am not without sympathy and dearly love a friend who, despite my efforts to persuade her otherwise, lost a baby in this way (and still regrets it many years later).

@cupcaske123

Catholicism views homosexuality as sinful because of natural law and interpretations of certain passages of the bible. This position is followed by many other Christian denominations such as the Orthodox Church, some Protestant denominations, the Pentecostal, Evangelical, Methodist churches and others.

You've included my denomination here and I'm afraid you're still wrong.

In fact, the Catholic church refuses to bless same sex couples as it says that 'God can't bless a sin.'

That would be because the Church views marriage (as defined in the Bible) as being exclusively between one man and one woman. To bless a same sex union, the Church would have to go against this doctrine and also endorse homosexual activity, not merely feelings or attraction.

The Catechism of the Catholic church considers homosexual activity to be a grave sin against chastity and views same sex attraction as objectively disordered.

Again, it's the activity that they consider the sin. I'm not sure what's meant by objectively disordered. Again, not a Catholic.

It’s absolutely not abhorrent at all and thankfully we live in a society where religion is dying out with each passing generation

It has the potential to be a baby from conception you mean and I wonder why this all so amazing god even puts women through the trauma of having a miscarriage. For a mythical thing that’s supposed to be great, ‘god’ does abhorrent stuff too!!

For a mythical thing that’s supposed to be great, ‘god’ does vie stiff!

Completely uncalled for. I won't be replying to any of your comments from now on @SunnyWavess and yes, it is still (and always will be) abhorrent.

In your opinion, to which you are entitled of course. 😎

Says you who happily would tell a woman having a termination what she’s doing is abhorrent!.

Quite ☺️

@oopsygossypiboma Having said that, I am not without sympathy and dearly love a friend who, despite my efforts to persuade her otherwise, lost a baby in this way (and still regrets it many years later).

Same here. It's heartbreaking the amount of women who live with a lifetime of regret and sorrow over the life they destroyed. I do think there is not enough real-gritty pre-destruction counselling done and of course the prettied-up euphemistic language around the destruction makes the choice appear more acceptable. BUT! We know, Jesus is the way to help mend the broken-hearted. It's never too late, in this life. 🙏

You're right. Homosexuality is not considered a sin anywhere in Christianity. It's welcomed with open arms, nay encouraged. My mistake.

You're right. Homosexuality is not considered a sin anywhere in Christianity. It's welcomed with open arms, nay encouraged. My mistake.

I'm sorry, you've lost me @cupcaske123

Amen to that @Thegreatestoftheseislove

thankfully we live in a society where religion is dying out with each passing generation

I'm pleased to report there's no shortage of enthusiastic Bible believing youngsters at my church. 😊

I used to go to church, attended 2 religious schools, had my first holy communion and was confirmed then got to 20 and realised my ability to critically think and then it dawned on me that science was factual and objective, measurable and that conflicted with what I’d been brought up to believe in.

It’s not a coincidence most people of faith, follow the religion of their parents, because that’s what they’re brought up to believe. Some will continue to believe and others will evaluate the likelihood of it….

Your response is the small minded one.
(This is from Not Dead Yet UK)

We don’t see any route which would guarantee the implementation of assisted suicide for individuals as being entirely voluntary. We think any liberalisation of the law could not be framed or drafted in a way that would ensure individuals would not be abused or influenced to commit suicide.

Additionally, we’re concerned that disabled people, and people who are seriously ill, could feel pressure (real or imagined) to request an early death. That’s particularly true if people are anxious about being a financial, emotional or physical burden on family, friends and the state.

We’re also worried that any change in the law could lead to a series of changes, with the law being relaxed further down the line. We have seen this in countries and states with established assisted suicide laws such as Belgium (which have now seen children successfully demanding assisted dying) and Oregon (which has seen an increase in the valid categories which allow a request for assisted dying, including ‘loneliness’).

And we’re worried this debate is tied to the value our society places on disabled people’s lives. Many of us do not have an average life expectancy or have been told that we are terminally ill. Some of us have had DNR decisions imposed on us whilst receiving medical treatment without our knowledge. Many of us don’t get the support we need because of the value (or lack of it) society places on us. If disabled people are given the proper support and resources, they can live extraordinary lives.

We want assistance to live, not assistance to die.

What are the compelling religious arguments against euthanasia?

@Patternedwallpaper Commandment number 6 - You shall not kill. I think that covers it.

It is not a human right to marry in a church or take a life.