Euthanasia conflict

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Hi all,

Been trying to pick a church recently. I was raised C of E but feel it's not for me now and was going to try another. Found one I like, but it is against homosexuality, abortion and euthanasia. They are friendly and welcoming to everyone no matter what the circumstances, but just believe all 3 are wrong. I dont necessarily; i think i can square my feelings about abortion and homosexuality, but I just cant see the problem with euthanasia when a very old or ill person is suffering :(

Does anyone else have this conflict? Can you tell me your thoughts/experiences? What are the compelling religious arguments against euthanasia?

https://www.gotquestions.org/euthanasia.html
is my take on it.

Why do you believe killing our most vulnerable - babies and ill people - is ever ok?

I don't agree with euthanasia at all. I couldn't get on board with homophobia and anti abortion sentiments. I bet they have a very traditional view of a woman's place as well.

I bet they have a very traditional view of a woman's place as well.

Why? @cupcaske123

i wouldn't follow any religion that dictated to me what i can or cannot have an opinion on! thats not a religion its a cult!

I’m sorry but I think any Christian church that is biblical in teachings, will have these views as they are following their bible and God.

Agree.

This is a very wide eyed view of religion. If we take the Abrahamic faiths for example, they are all patriarchal with strong views on women being submissive to men.

In Christianity, women are blamed for original sin. Women are divided into the virgin/whore dichotomy, the bible tells women to obey their husbands. Women have only very recently become church leaders in some denominations. They are taught that they are inferior and are marginalised. Some churches don't let women sit at the front.

Contraception is disallowed, meaning women have no control over their bodies and risk STDs and AIDS. Abortion is disallowed meaning victims of incest, rape, abuse and those with foetal abnormalities are forced to give birth. Some denominations pressure women to stay in abusive marriages because divorce is a sin.

In a similar vein, a denomination which says homosexually is a sin doesn't treat everyone equally. Anti abortion means women and girls suffer. As such I can't imagine them being particularly progressive about women or women's rights.

Any church that doesnt support your views isnt the right one for you. Find another

In Christianity, women are blamed for original sin. @cupcaske123 Are they?

Romans 5 Vs 12 - Therefore, just as sin came into the world through ONE MAN, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned

Some churches don't let women sit at the front.
Which ones?

Contraception is disallowed
Based on what?

How much misinformation can be peddled in just one post? To take each paragraph in order: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Just to clarify re this perpetual lie that folk just love to get in a rabid tizz over about homosexuality: homosexuality, ie to be a homosexual, is NOT a sin. Sexual immorality is a sin - whether straight or gay. I guess the reason people just love to dwell on sexual immorality over and above any other 'type' of sin is because sex sells. Also, maybe, it's because sexual immorality is pleasurable more than coveting thy neighbour's ox. 🙄

I'm assuming you've heard of the temptation of Eve who caused the fall. Eve and therefore women are associated with original sin.

It used to be common to separate the sexes during mass, there is a Catholic canon to that effect. Orthodox churches such as Coptic, still separate the sexes.

Catholicism doesn't allow any form of artificial contraception.

Take your argument up with Catholics and the Orthodox churches which view homosexuality as a sin.

I don't want to upset the many Catholics on this board by going into all the reasons why I think Catholicism has it wrong, so I won't.

I'm assuming you've heard of the temptation of Eve who caused the fall.
Yes indeed, which is exactly what that verse from Romans is about.

How much misinformation can be peddled in just one post?
I was just thinking the same!

No they don't, they believe homosexual activity is a sin.
There are many gay (celibate) Priests in the CC.

Women aren’t to blame for the first sin.. that was Adam, the first man, he lost the original holiness he had received from God, not only for himself but for all humans.

Only a few denominations are against contraception but most aren’t.. I would encourage you to gain a deeper knowledge of its teachings. If you are a Christian then perhaps a bible study would be a good way to do this? If you aren’t a Christian, the bible may still make a good read, at least then you will know the word of God and be able decide whether it’s a load of mumbo-jumbo or not after reading what it says :)

It isn't supposed to be all about OP and her preferences; it's about God.

Against euthanasia is the one I have the least issues with. Just look at examples in Canada, Belgium and Netherlands to see what a slippery slope it can become

That pretty much sums up my feelings on it too.
The other issue with euthanasia is that while it seems well-meaning and only for very needy cases it is the thin end of the wedge, in a similar way that abortion was originally intended to be extremely rare. Once the door is unlocked it just gets pushed ever wider.

The right to die becomes then the duty to die, to free up economic advantages to the younger / fitter members of society.

Personally I would be in agreement on these issues with the stance of the church you are considering.

An interesting perspective on 'assisted dying'.

https://notdeadyetuk.co.uk/faqs

I didn’t know that, although if seems very sad.

Do you feel you need to belong to an organised religion?

Would a spiritual community align better with your beliefs?

Whoa! Some sweeping generalisations there! I was brought up in a very strict Christian 'cult' and have been a member of other churches (currently CofE). I have never been asked my views on abortion, contraception, homosexuality, euthanasia. (I know my current vicar would bless a gay couple but wouldn't marry them. That's her choice. ) These issues are deeply personal. I have no idea what the person sitting next to me in church thinks about them. Certainly if they assumed I was against any of them they would be mistaken. I am divorced, btw - my own business. All these issues are between a person and their God.

I'm not sure they'd see it like that. Jesus said marriage isn't for everyone and that it's actually better for someone to stay single (i.e. not marry) and dedicate their lives to God.