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Will you make it to Heaven?

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Vincitveritas · 12/03/2023 11:54

Take the quiz and see!

jesusplusnothing.com/the-heaven-test

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maddiemookins16mum · 15/03/2023 18:58

65-85% but never mind, I’m going anyways.

pointythings · 15/03/2023 19:01

In terms of sexual fantasies I'd say it's because there's quite often a progression. For example, Amnon was attracted to his half sister Tamar and went on to rape her. David fell in love with Bathsheba, which then led to the death of her husband who he purposely sent to the front line of battle. Lusting after someone else's husband or wife could potentially result in an actual affair. Similarly, people who read explicit literature might be desensitised and move to watching pornography, which in turn causes further desensitisation and seeking out more and more depraved images for the same kicks. If married, it could also cause the spouse to be dissatisfied with their husband or wife, create conflict and eventually end in divorce.

There's an awful lot of 'could' and 'might' in there, and an awful lot of people who seem to have no will or self control. The transgression happens when the lusting turns into an affair or a rape. And that is the responsibility of the individual.

There's no evidence that explicit literature is the gateway drug to extreme porn, unless you can provide me with some - I read (and write) some reasonably spicy books, but have never felt the urge to pursue anything extreme. I don't have hangups about masturbation in relationships, though I know some people do, but if you put that aside, where is the harm for someone who is single? I mean, I haven't felt the urge to rape anyone or send them to war.

And when sex isn't working in a relationship and attempts to improve haven't worked, for whatever reason, divorce is a perfectly reasonable thing to pursue. Divorce in general is often the better outcome, and not just in cases where there is abuse.

What I'm seeing in your version of Christianity is all about suppression and self-denial. That's one method, but there are others. All involve taking personal responsibility. That can be done without faith being required.

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 19:01

@PopsicleHustler You need to find a better butcher! 😆I'm sure we do have much in common, peace to you. 🙏

@BeverlyHa You're welcome, though I'm not sure what you mean by the second post?

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listsandbudgets · 15/03/2023 19:04

65-85% range... Frankly if by some divine error I made it to heaven (which I certainly don't deserve) I wouldn't last they'd expel me to hell pretty rapidly!

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 19:08

@Orangetapemeasure That sounds terrible, what church was this? Don't let a bad experience put you off.

@pointythings I'm just trying to give some reasons as to why God has chosen to put strict regulations around sexual behaviour, I certainly don't have all the answers. I think we could agree though that the world would be a much nicer place to live if everyone abided by the 10 commandments.

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Elphame · 15/03/2023 19:12

Absolutely not thank goodness. I prefer to be with my own gods.

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 19:16

And what do you believe those gods to be? @Elphame

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pointythings · 15/03/2023 19:18

@Vincitveritas we really couldn't, because we wouldn't be able to be atheists, pagans, Buddhists etc. We'd all have to place your god above all others. No thanks.

Many of the other ones are just common human decency, and as mentioned on another thread on this topic are most likely derived from the 42 Principles of Ma'at.

ClassicLib · 15/03/2023 19:25

I certainly hope not! Heaven sounds incredibly dull.

All the cool people go to the other place, darling. 😎

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2023 19:36

The other one is equally stupid @Vincitveritas
Judge not that ye be not judged

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:08

pointythings · 15/03/2023 19:18

@Vincitveritas we really couldn't, because we wouldn't be able to be atheists, pagans, Buddhists etc. We'd all have to place your god above all others. No thanks.

Many of the other ones are just common human decency, and as mentioned on another thread on this topic are most likely derived from the 42 Principles of Ma'at.

@pointythings
You know what I mean!
Who says that's where they're derived from? All I see is a list of rules to live by.

@ClassicLib You wouldn't say that if you knew what Hell was like. It isn't some massive party.

@JaneJeffer Thanks for that assessment and it was hardly a judgment.

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Elphame · 15/03/2023 20:09

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2023 17:54

Or maybe it's a type of building developed by the Romans which is today know as an Annex

Yes I noticed that mistake too! Both quizzes are pretty awful.

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2023 20:10

I meant the quiz is judgemental not you @Vincitveritas

MistyGreenAndBlue · 15/03/2023 20:10

Not done the quiz but based on the stated criteria for entry, not only will I never gain entry but neither will anyone else I've ever met or heard of.

On that basis, I reckon I'd quite like it there. Must be very quiet.

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:12

@JaneJeffer I see, it's not meant to be taken that way.

A lot of folkes very much missing the point here.

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Parker231 · 15/03/2023 20:13

No one will has it doesn’t exist anymore than hell does. It’s just a ploy to scare people

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:14

Sorry for the typos - my screen has seen better days!

@Parker231 How can you be so sure? What happens if you're wrong?

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Orangetapemeasure · 15/03/2023 20:14

@Vincitveritas a fairly standard CofE church. I’m mid 40s now and have several friends who no longer attend church because of similar reasons (different churches) and I have one friend in her 20s who has recently stopped going because of the nonsense she was being told.
on an entirely different note….is your user name your school motto??

JaneJeffer · 15/03/2023 20:19

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:12

@JaneJeffer I see, it's not meant to be taken that way.

A lot of folkes very much missing the point here.

Well you will be familiar with the bible which says that only God can judge you and not some plonker making an online quiz.

ShodanLives · 15/03/2023 20:21

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:14

Sorry for the typos - my screen has seen better days!

@Parker231 How can you be so sure? What happens if you're wrong?

You're the one speaking with certainty here.

Vincitveritas · 15/03/2023 20:39

Orangetapemeasure · 15/03/2023 20:14

@Vincitveritas a fairly standard CofE church. I’m mid 40s now and have several friends who no longer attend church because of similar reasons (different churches) and I have one friend in her 20s who has recently stopped going because of the nonsense she was being told.
on an entirely different note….is your user name your school motto??

@Orangetapemeasure As I've said elsewhere, I'm not the C of E's biggest fan. It's a shame you haven't felt more supported.
Not a school motto no - been a good while since I went! There's probably loads out there with the same one.

@JaneJeffer have you read any of my other posts? I tried to explain this early on, obviously not very well. 😄

@ShodanLives Yes, I'm as certain as you can be about this, but most people don't give this topic a second thought.

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Twillow · 15/03/2023 20:44

85% surprisingly given that I answered honestly to questions I would probably lie about to a real person! (Religious website posing as Test then goes on to say that's not good enough anyway 😂

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 15/03/2023 20:49

65-85%

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 15/03/2023 20:53

48% pagan

ShodanLives · 15/03/2023 20:55

Yes, I'm as certain as you can be about this, but most people don't give this topic a second thought

Whycan you br certain there is a heaven but others can't be certain there isn't one?

And I'm pretty sure most people think about what happens when they die at some point.