Will you make it to Heaven?

[Vincitveritas]

Take the quiz and see!

jesusplusnothing.com/the-heaven-test

I think it is immensely arrogant to presume that you and only you know the truth about the nature of the afterlife and whether there is one, and that your faith and only that faith is the true one. That is the problem - so many of the religious have zero humility.

I hope not. God is my least favourite fictional character and I abhor the idea of being stuck for eternity alongside the horrible old psychopath.

I think it us unlikely.

Who would even want to go to such a place?
To sit beside a genocidal maniac with anger management issues, the only entertainment is watching the heathens suffer in hell.

@arctica Well, as highest of all the angels it's been suggested that Lucifer may have been in charge of music in Heaven, as the KJV of Ezekiel 28:12-19 alludes to.

@AnorLondo I base my knowledge of what's written in Scripture. Dante was basically making it up as he went along.

@TuesdayJulyNever No, luckily for you, Jesus is the gatekeeper!

@pointythings I do have humility. I understand not everyone thinks or believes as I do.

Well, as highest of all the angels it's been suggested that Lucifer may have been in charge of music in Heaven, as the KJV of Ezekiel 28:12-19 alludes to.

Sounds great
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@BigMandsTattooPortfolio Funny, that's not the God I know at all.

@speakout Welcome 🙂 Again, that is not how I see God and there'll be plenty to do, no sitting about on clouds playing harps. God doesn't wish anyone to suffer, "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." 2 Peter 3:9.

I base my knowledge of what's written in Scripture. Dante was basically making it up as he went along.

Good for you. You're still no more of an authority than Dante and no more likely to be right.

@arctica I was using the past tense. Hell is a punishment for Satan and his angels, he will not be ruling or making any more music.

@AnorLondo You're right, by myself I'm not an authority on such things, but through God's Word comes knowledge and wisdom.

Then maybe stop acting like you are. It's very arrogant.

Through education comes knowledge and wisdom not through an imaginary God.

Unless you've been there you can't really know.

Anyway I'll take my chances. Not much chance of slayer in Heaven.

God doesn't wish anyone to suffer,

That's obviously untrue- otherwise he wouldn't have anyone go to hell.

Over three million children starve to death a year in the world- how is he preventing that suffering?

God regularly killed in the bible, including an act of global genocide- Noah's ark.
Suffering at his own hand.

He sounds like no person I would want to know.

Your god is a hideous monster.

Well when many people think of hell they think of Dante’s inferno, or at least concepts from there because, actually Christian scripture has very little to say on the subject and what it does have to say is rather open to interpretation. The Old Testament is practically silent on the matter.

I generally look at scholars of religion for information about origins of religion. There’s even some excellent content on You tube these days, I’d esp recommend “Religion for Breakfast” and Esoterica

To rephrase, through human words portrayed as God's words comes knowledge and wisdom due to our academics, philosophers etc

I'll have to research that.

Full of nice people and philosophers who just so happen not to be Christian (inc unbaptised babies). Jesus handpicked a few of them to go to heaven after he died (before he came back to life). Apparently they’re supposed to be tortured by not making it into heaven ie punish the babies for not being baptised or people who weren’t Christian before Christianity was invented😀

@Vincitveritas I think you were very brave in starting this thread and are explaining the concepts better than I could. I don't think you're arrogant at all but I thought Christians were full of it before I became one, so I get it. I agree with you that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and that nobody shall come to the Father except through him- I respect that not everyone does though. Anyway, I agree with everything you have said and just wanted to say that!

Very odd perspectives, the thing that's puzzling about religion is people read the books and if they choose to, they then accept the religion, ect. But if a person today suddenly started to say about god, or claim to be the son of God and about sin, ect we would think ?????,

@AnorLondo I think you're being rude - if you haven't got anything constructive to say, please move along.

@arctica I guess not, but what a risk!

@speakout So you keep saying and I find it very disrespectful. I haven't insulted your particular practices.
God doesn't send people to hell, they choose to deny and/or rebel against God - he gives them that choice which results in eternal separation. Eternal separation involves an absence of all that God is - no love (hate), light (darkness), peace (turmoil), joy (despair) or healing (pain).
Anyway, I made this thread about Heaven, so I'd rather not make this into a negative discussion.

@OMG12 I think there's a lot that Dante got wrong, unbaptised babies being one example. As you know, I prefer to stick to the basics - like the website says, Jesus plus nothing.

@Parker231 & @Hawkins003 I am well educated and well read. I was talking about wisdom and knowledge on spiritual matters in particular. This is not an either/or situation.

Bless you wellthatwasweird, I appreciate your support. 🥰

25-45% here 😆

So in your world, I’ll go to hell as a non believer !

I guess that’s the thing though, we don’t really know what Dante or indeed Milton, Aquinas etc got right or wrong, that’s part of the great mystery of it. It is all just interpretation, intuition, a belief, a knowledge within.

All we can do is try and analyse it within the context of its history, all of these things help us to analyse what we are being told, what we feel. All of this improves our understanding, nothing takes away a feeling. If you have a feeling or some internal knowledge about the divinity of Jesus that is real for you and worth exploration by trying to understand it as much as possible. But most of Christianity is created by man for various reasons, a lot of it political, some of it by people exploring their own personal truth. Each of us is unique meaning our spiritual experience will be unique, at the end of the day, the only persons soul we should be interested in is our own.

God doesn't send people to hell, they choose to deny and/or rebel against God - he gives them that choice which results in eternal separation.

That is no* *choice at all though- trying to force someone to love you or else is hideous.
It's useful to imagine god as an abusive husband- he demands that you love him or else he will lock you in a burning garage.

What kind of love is that?

Parker231 if you find my views distrespectful then that is your choice.
I have not personally disrespected or insulted you and respect your freedom to choose your religion.
But I won't respect your religion, your god or your church.
Your christian god -is a thug and a bully and all the markings of an abusive character.