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Islam is breaking my marriage, is this right?

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AnotherRandom · 22/12/2014 10:14

My husband and I have been together 10 years and married for 5. He was a Christian but converted to Islam about a year and a half ago. I am a Sikh.

He has told me recently that our marriage is not valid anymore (according to Islam) and that for us to stay together I would need to convert.

We love each other a lot but I feel uncomfortable with this. I feel like I'm being pushed into making a massive decision about my life to save my marriage. It doesn't feel right to change.

He said he doesn't expect me to convert over night but that I should consider the religion. It's all too much for me. I am happy with my belief and my faith in God but Islam is not a way of life that fits in with how I live my life and how I want to live my life.

I don't even know why I'm posting. Is there no way our marriage can continue to work? We have a child and the thought of separation is hurting me so bad.

He won't even share a bed with me anymore or be intimate with me anymore :(

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FunkyBoldRibena · 26/12/2014 10:13

I'm actually exhausted by this all and cannot wait to spend time away from the house.

As I probably said on your other thread, get the fuck away from this man. He is using religion, as he uses everything, to keep you in your place - which is serving him.

Are you sure it is love you feel and not just fear of being alone? Because you pretty much are alone right now.

NettleTea · 26/12/2014 11:48

surely Sikhism is more modern that Islam, therefore it cannot have been mentioned in the Koran?
your problem isnt religion, its is a horribly controlling husband who uses religion to bolster his desire to dictate your every move.

Spadequeen · 26/12/2014 11:58

Op, he is not a loving man, you say he would not force you hijab, but he's already chucked out your tree and is blackmailing you re the religion. You've also said he's been aggressive in the past.

This is not Islam, this is your husband. If he really loved you and cared about you, he would not be doing this.

Read the signs, heed the warnings, get out now.

AskMeAnother · 26/12/2014 12:06

He is a recent convert, he is not yet at ease in his religion.
Your options are convert, and possibly keep him (no guarantees. he might think having ever been a Sikh makes you unacceptable) or leave him.

greeneggsandjam · 28/12/2014 18:02

I haven't read through all the posts so apologies if someone has already mentioned this but I do remember coming across a similar story where the man had become Muslim and was already married to someone 'not of the book' and the advice given was to keep things as they were and not to divorce/force the wife to become Muslim (silly really, you cant force someone to believe something). I don't remember where I came upon it though unfortunately!

FixItUpChappie · 28/12/2014 18:34

So many red flags.

what is it you love about him specifically? I think your right that you need some time alone to have a good hard honest look at things.

what is plain from the info you've provided:

-controlling
-"used" to be aggressive
-domineering
-doesn't treat you as an equal
-makes huge decisions which impact your family without consulting you
-doesn't respect you
-doesn't prioritize you, your family unit and nor your daughter
-changes from one staunch world view to another practically overnight

I'm sure there is more your not telling us. I'm worried for you OP. this is just not just a typical marital road bump.

AnotherRandom · 28/12/2014 23:52

Hi all, sorry I haven't replied sooner, still thinking about what I want/need to do.

What do I love about him? He makes me feel safe, he cares about me, we've been together a long time and I feel nobody knows me better than him. I love spending time with him, doing things with him, laughing with him.

It's those things which make me feel confused about letting him go.

But on the other hand, I can't get my head around becoming a Muslim. I was so low and distraught I even went to a mosque to get some advice about our situation. Upon arrival, I spotted a man walking to the mosque so asked him if there was somebody there I could speak to. He came to talk to me but looked at the floor. He didn't look at me. I found this incredibly rude and if anyone can tell me why he didn't look at me i would like to know. I did have my head covered too. He was polite and did get somebody from inside to talk to me. This guy too came over, looked at the floor the whole time I spoke to him.

They both told me there were no ladies at the mosque currently for me to speak to and one gave me a little advice, but not really very helpful at all.

His (my husband's) impatience is starting to show, his nice act is wearing a little thin with me because of my reluctance towards the religion.

I'm still undecided as to what to do :(

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littleducks · 29/12/2014 00:04

I would suggest you call the Muslim women's helpline. I knew the people running it many years ago and they were very good and knowledgeable I haven't had any more recent experience but hopefully it is the same. I am sure they would talk to you.

May I suggest that you find another mosque/Centre to go to find out more about Islam. I'm concerned that either your husband is attending somewhere with a very extreme philosophy. His behaviour before religion became an issue is also worrying.

Details of helpline number is on this page:

www.thehideout.org.uk/over10/whatcanidoaboutit/helplines/default.aspa

AnotherRandom · 29/12/2014 00:27

Thank you littleducks. I will call them tomorrow.

My husband is really trying to follow the Quran as best he can and wants to be close to God. I have no idea if someone is influencing him or if this is just him. I have a feeling this is his take on it and he believes he is right. But the imam at his mosque, who apparently is very knowledgeable, shares the same opinions as my husband. So I don't know what to think really.

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SezaMcGregor · 29/12/2014 02:35

Hi AnotherRandom, I've broken off reading your posts on this thread after coming here from your other thread in Relationships and wanted to know what your husband was demanding from you this week.

Firstly, I'm glad that you had a good Christmas with your family. Please understand that they are your real family and they are the people who will be there to support you and your DD.

You know that your husband is abusing you, is manipulating you to do what ever he wants. Only you can decide to move out, to save your DD from growing up believing that this is an ok way to live. You must consider that you are her role model. Show her that when this man told you (he isn't asking you is he) to renounce your faith to convert yourself and your beautiful daughter to Islam that you walked away, that you did not jump through his hoops.

You know that this won't be the last thing that he'll ask/tell you to do. Say that you do decide to "save your marriage" by converting to Islam, to rejoin him in your marital bed - what will be next?

You will never be sat with him, picnicking beneath an apple tree, the sun warm on your backs and have him gaze upon you and tell you that you are how perfect - there is nothing more that he could ask of you not wish for to improve you in any way - there will always be more. More ways that you can improve, more things that you do that he does not approve of.

The ladies on these boards have been through a lot and they know what they're talking about. You need to decide whether you will join their ranks telling others in the future of your escape from your abusive controlling husband and the new life that you now enjoy, or whether you want to come back time and time again asking for our advice when you know the answer already but the solution can lie only with you.

I know it's not easy but your new life is waiting for you.

Roonerspism · 29/12/2014 03:26

So much good advice here already.....

There are so many red flags in what you have posted. I have been in an abusive relationship and it is only in hindsight I can see how blind I was. Please don't become trapped.

HaloItsMeFell · 29/12/2014 05:10

He has told me he doesn't expect me to wear a hijab and I never would.

Well he's already moved some pretty massive goalposts in your marriage so do you trust him not to move any more?

I strongly believe that you cannot just change your whole belief system like this unless it comes from a true desire to want to find an alternative path.

You are completely right, and anyone who cannot respect that view is a fool and a bully.

He has also said that the religion makes him a better husband to me, he has previously been quite aggressive towards me but that has since calmed down.

erm…I'm sorry wouldn't bank on it. If anything it's more likely to give him the justification for being a controlling aggressive bully, when you don't conform to his ideal of the good Muslim wife.

Even if I converted, would he change his controlling ways. No.

You see? You already know this. Don't walk into the trap PLEASE.

I think whatasoddingmess gives very good advice, BUT I think that recent converts to any religion (if by genuine personal choice and not prompted by someone else's expectations) are often, by nature, people who are prone to be very 'all or nothing' type people and will be drawn to more extreme interpretations and behaviours. You know about Ostentatious Consumption? Well I think they often catch Ostentatious Faith. They can often end up being among the most over-zealous, dogmatic, literal and inflexible of all. Just because whats DH is a well balanced and level-headed Muslim doesn't necessarily mean yours will be, and all evidence points so far to you being led like a lamb to the slaughter, so tread very carefully and don't allow yourself to be railroaded or emotionally blackmailed.

He's clearly already using religion to control you.

Although I don't agree that he has already mentally separated from you and is using Islam as an excuse to withdraw from the marriage. It sounds to me like he is withdrawing all intimacy as a way of emotionally blackmailing and controlling you. He hopes that you will start to feel so unhappy and rejected and fearful for the future of your marriage that you eventually give in. And that does not bode well for the future AT ALL.

And that Imam is a twat. He is filling your husband's head with emotive nonsense. Frankly, your husband sounds like a gullible fool with no mind of his own if he can't see through this - is he always this easily led?

Tell him it would be completely pointless and hypocritical to convert in name only just to appease some Imam when you don't actually feel any genuine calling or affinity with Islam. How does he think his God would feel about that? Or does his God not really care whether you believe or not, just so long as you buckle under the pressure to conform?

It sounds like he has you over a barrel I'm sorry to say. Sad He has already reached a stage in his indoctrination that if you don't convert he may well divorce you the stupid man and if you do convert for a quiet life, he will start to demand and expect that you behave like his vision of a good Muslim wife, and if you don't then he will divorce you anyway.

Just remember that if you do convert you will throw away any autonomy in your marriage and your life. Only you know your DH's true character and only you can judge whether he is likely to use the tenets of Islam as a metaphorical stick to beat you with, but by the sounds of it he already is.

He will no doubt expect you to make some quite radical changes to the way you currently live, dress, behave, interact with non-blood related men, socialise and think. You may be ok with that, it may not be so very different to the way you live as a Sikh anyway (don't know much about Sikhism so couldn't really comment) or you could end up feeling very compromised, suffocated and oppressed by that indeed. My guess is the latter.

But you will not have a leg to stand on because in his eyes you will be a Muslim, you converted, and therefore you should just suck it up. I think you are between a rock and a hard place right now, I'm sorry to say.

If your DH was a previously a fairly well balanced and moderate man who loves you very much then you may be able to give him an ultimatum. He either accepts things as they are, or he has to choose between you and Islam. but be prepared for him to choose Islam. Sad

HaloItsMeFell · 29/12/2014 05:11

It sounds as if he has found a version of a religion that fits his world view and makes sense to him and his personality

And YYY to this ^ with knobs on.

I'd love to know what his specific issues with Christianity are these days, but I think I can guess!

HaloItsMeFell · 29/12/2014 05:20

Another the men in the mosque did not look at you because your face was not covered, you were not chaperoned by your husband or father, in their eyes you had unwittingly put yourself in a position of vulnerability that a lesser man may have taken advantage of. As good Muslims it was their duty to look away in case they felt any physical attraction to you, or had urges they could not control Hmm or made you feel vulnerable or uncomfortable in any way.

It might not make much sense to us, but it was meant as a gesture of respect and polite social distance to you as a non-blood related woman, not as a display of rudeness.

lunar1 · 29/12/2014 05:49

He is bullying you and using his version of religion to excuse it.

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh · 29/12/2014 06:51

Your husband is controlling, violent, entitled, emotionally abusive, manipulative and generally a terrible husband. He will never rest until you are entirely under his control - as you say he says he won't pressure you to convert but he's already getting impatient that you haven't got there on your own.
There is no answer to this but that you have to end the marriage. Leaving the religion issue aside it's still an abusive relationship.

EhricJinglingHisBallsOnHigh · 29/12/2014 06:53

I've been to a mosque with my son and nobody treated me disrespectfully at all, the men I spoke to were polite, made eye contact and were very kind. Just saying.

HaloItsMeFell · 29/12/2014 09:04

It will vary from mosque to mosque though Ehric, some are more conservative than others. Not that they will necessarily be rude to you, just that they may not want to make eye contact.

unlucky83 · 29/12/2014 13:46

I've come across the not looking at you as a mark of respect - from a fellow student at university when were working together on a project. He even told me why, apologised, said he wasn't being rude. I didn't say anything (much)....accepted it.
But still it boils my piss
It is rude and shows a massive lack of respect- it is treating you as nothing more than a sex object. You really can't have a (in our case boring scientific) conversation because he might have lustful thoughts? And so fucking what if he does -that's his problem not mine, he needs to get over it...treat me like an equal not a distraction. (Sorry rant over -obviously still annoys me 20 yrs later)

Sorry nothing more constructive to say - apart from agreeing with this isn't really about religion - it is about control and IMO you need to get out..

divingoffthebalcony · 29/12/2014 18:15

For some Muslim men (please note I said some) women are seen as second class citizens and have no place at a mosque. Ostensibly it's supposed to be to do with men and women not being allowed to mix with each other unless married/related, but there is always a more misogynistic explanation.

alteredimages · 29/12/2014 18:46

Another I am afraid your husband sounds like a nasty piece of work and he basically sold you up the river when he converted to Islam. He has known for a long time, if not from the very beginning, the repercussions his conversion would have on your marriage, at least in the eyes of his fellow muslims.

Unfortunately he and his imam are also correct that Islam allows marriage between Muslim men and Christan, Jewish and Muslim women only. This is because Islam only recognises the three Abrahamic religions. Muslim women may only marry Muslim men to avoid children being raised outside Islam as children are considered to follow the religion of the father in Islamic countries. Having said that, this has no legal bearing in the UK. He might be getting a hard time at his mosque though as his marriage is considered invalid by them.

I am a Muslim who converted from Christianity and am very happy with my choice and my husband. However, some Muslim men use Islam to take the piss and this is exactly what I think your husband will do. Once you have converted to Islam he has a new box of tools to mould you into shape with. "A good Muslim wife doesn't answer back and respects the wishes of her husband", "A good Muslim wife dresses to please her husband", "A good Muslims wife prefers to stay at home and spend her time on religious study and making her home a pleasant retreat from worldly distractions" and it goes on and on. The veil is neither here nor there. He will have authority over you.

The lack of regard for you and your position was clear when he converted. Please don't give him any more control over you by converting against your wishes.

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littleducks · 29/12/2014 19:18

At a cultural awareness training day I was told similar about telling children off. They might look down as a sign of respect as at home looking in the eyes an adult telling them off wound be perceived to be rude.

It was a long time ago now and I can't remember the details properly

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