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How do you forgive someone who isn't sorry they hurt you? Is it really that important to forgive?

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ElizaPickford · 14/08/2014 17:06

I've just finished reading The Railway Man and it is ultimately a book about forgiveness. It got me thinking - forgiveness was obviously the right thing for the main character to do, no doubt made easier by the fact that the person he needed to forgive was desperately sorry and had spent much of his life trying to atone.

I'm not directly trying to relate my situation to the one portrayed in that book - however I've been struggling for a long time with the fact that I was betrayed by one of my parents and have been badly damaged on several levels by their actions to me throughout my life. I no longer have anything to do with them but I do think about them often and find myself struggling with the idea of forgiveness.

One one level, I would love to be free of all the feelings I still have of resentment for what has gone on and suspect I would be more at peace if I could forgive. However, I know that from a logical perspective that I don't know how to forgive. I can say that I do but ultimately I am still left sad and angry and forgiveness does not feel authentic. What makes it worse is that the person I feel I should forgive actively does not give one tiny shit about their behaviour - they think that they tried their best and "if that's not good enough then tough shit." There is no salvaging the relationship at all I don't think - I've tried but it is completely one way traffic and I'm not a masochist.

So the question is - is it possible? Has anyone done it? Or do I need to just reconcile myself to this feeling of sadness that underlies everything I do for the rest of my life? How important is forgiveness anyway - is it mentally safer to remember that whatever happens this person cannot be trusted and that even if they were sorry I need to keep my guard up?

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capsium · 29/08/2014 19:48

Not judging you. I admire your strength, Itsfab.

If I talk about my own beliefs and how I cope with life, this is intended to reflect my personal beliefs, experiences and reflections. I am not in competition with anyone. I do not put myself above anyone.

However, as a fellow human being, sharing my experiences and reflections must be worth something?

Emphaticmaybe · 29/08/2014 20:07

Thanks for answering - so our sinfullness means we must forgive in order to be forgiven - God has no such requirement because he is by nature without sin?

I think this makes sense as I have only been able to contemplate forgiveness when I started to comprehend my own failings - after all it is always easier to compare yourself favourably to others or only admit to the failings you don't really mind having. To forgive others you have to look at yourself honestly - or at least try. When we are hurt by others this is even harder to do as our defences are up. You have to accept that just because you would never behave in a particular way now in this life there really is no certainty that in the right circumstances with a different set of baggage you couldn't? That's nearly impossible to imagine for some crimes but if some acts are unforgivable it puts us all on shaky ground.

I suppose it's understanding that God doesn't perhaps see sin in quite the same way as humans do - sin is sin to some extent. That's hard to get your head around and feels a bit unfair - surely some things are far worse?
When you're human and vulnerable and someone hurts you you want justice but what I think we all need more if we are honest is mercy. I know I'm hoping for a merciful God.

capsium · 29/08/2014 20:19

Emphatic Jesus took on our sins though, became sin, so we can be forgiven, if we can accept this.

IrianofWay · 29/08/2014 20:45

DH had an affair. He has done all that was asked of him and then some more to repair the damage. We are 2 years down the line. I have virtually no anger remaining at him. I can even see why and how he gave himself permission to cross the line. DOne work on me too and recognised mistakes I have made.

However when I think of what he did I get briefly and occasionally angry with the man he was then - but no point in lashing out because he isn't the same man and there is nothing more he can do to make it up to me. I don't know if that is true forgiveness or not. I am not sure that anythung further would come unless I could wipe my memory

But that is a person who was full of regret, remorseful and desperate to give me reasons to forgive.

OW (who was a friend of sorts) has not spoken to me since Dday. I saw her in school one evening and she scuttled past me without looking. She was more distressed than me by the looks of it. I have had no apology or explanation. She isn't forgiven as such - but I have acheived indifference, even compassion for the mess that her life appears to be, but I guess it doesn't much matter as I don't think she would give a toss one way or the other.

Can you aim for indifference? I think that is the best outcome.

Itsfab · 29/08/2014 20:52

*"Not judging you. I admire your strength, Itsfab.

If I talk about my own beliefs and how I cope with life, this is intended to reflect my personal beliefs, experiences and reflections. I am not in competition with anyone. I do not put myself above anyone.

However, as a fellow human being, sharing my experiences and reflections must be worth something?"*

What the hell is there to judge?

I just can not compute anything you are saying. It has no correlation with what I am posting, your responses do not fit at all.

Emphaticmaybe · 29/08/2014 20:53

Yes I get that - but does that remove all accountability? God takes the cost of our sin - eternal death/ separation from him - but are we no longer expected to account for our lives in any way? If we are a merciful God is always preferable to a just one.

Emphaticmaybe · 29/08/2014 20:54

Sorry - adressed to Capsium.

Itsfab · 29/08/2014 20:56

"Not judging you. I admire your strength, Itsfab."

"If I talk about my own beliefs and how I cope with life, this is intended to reflect my personal beliefs, experiences and reflections. I am not in competition with anyone. I do not put myself above anyone."

"However, as a fellow human being, sharing my experiences and reflections must be worth something?"

What the hell is there to judge?

I just can not compute anything you are saying. It has no correlation with what I am posting, your responses do not fit at all.

combust22 · 29/08/2014 20:58

capsium- " Jesus took on our sins though, became sin, so we can be forgiven, if we can accept this."

But he didn't though- that's just an airy fairy story and bears no realation to real life.

It's a bit like me saying the Care Bears will make it all right- it's just all made up cheese fluff.

capsium · 29/08/2014 20:58

Itsfab I thought you were suggesting you thought I was judging you. Just clarifying that I don't. Sorry, that I don't seem to be able to communicate this to you very clearly.

combust22 · 29/08/2014 20:59

itsfab- impossible to get capsium to have a rational discussion. She is so brainwashed by religion she simply babbles.

capsium · 29/08/2014 20:59

combust that's a matter of belief.

combust22 · 29/08/2014 21:03

Perhaps for you capsium- for me its a matter of hard fact.

Emphaticmaybe · 29/08/2014 21:09

Combust that's unfair - I don't get why your so determined to be offended by a spiritual response to posts on a spirituality thread? Capsicum is not babbling she is explaining commonly held Christian beliefs - you may not agree and I don't agree with much Christian doctrine - but she has not been offensive or incoherent.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:16

Thank you Emphatic. Pleased to know my posts aren't completely incomprehensible.

Itsfab · 29/08/2014 21:18

capsium - why would you think I thought you were judging me? What could I possibly have done that is judgable? I have done nothing wrong. I don't need God to forgive my sins, I haven't committed any sins in the context of this thread.

I have found some comments on here to be very offensive, dismissive and unfeeling.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:21

Sorry, Itsfab no offence meant.

Emphaticmaybe · 29/08/2014 21:22

No probs Capsium.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:24

Your post here, Itsfab:

"Add message | Report | Message poster Itsfab Fri 29-Aug-14 19:42:23
Not Judging me? Holy crap."

is what lead me to think you thought I was judging.

Itsfab · 29/08/2014 21:28

I just don't get why judging came into your head. THAT was the point I was making. If you are judging me for not understanding or forgiving the people who caused me severe harm then words fail me.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:37

Itsfab Well I'm not, judging. Maybe that was my own projection of what you thought.

Up thread I upset some posters after explaining why I value forgiveness, but this was not intended as a judgement on them either, and I apologised for this too. I'm just talking in terms my own beliefs and reflections in terms of my own experiences in life.

Itsfab · 29/08/2014 21:48

Again, judging is not a word that is acceptable or justified on here.

Someone posts they haven't fed their kids for a week - immediate judging. Fine.

Someone posts they won't forgive the people who have abused them - immediate sympathy should be the thought, not whether you judged them or not.

I am off to bed, some people can't be told. Some people don't get it.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:49

Thanks, for the head up, Itsfab. Take care xx.

capsium · 29/08/2014 21:50

^ I meant 'heads up'.

combust22 · 29/08/2014 21:51

Goodnight Itsfab. Sleep well.